Realising Emptiness as prerequisite for attaining Narokacho pureland?
Realising Emptiness as prerequisite for attaining Narokacho pureland?
Is realisation of Emptiness, a prerequisite for attaining Narokacho pureland? I have not read any Sakya teachings or any of my Sakya Gurus mentioned this point. Would be useful to have this point clarified.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Re: Realising Emptiness as prerequisite for attaining Narokacho pureland?
Define realization of emptiness.
Also - which teachings have you received in this tradition?
Re: Realising Emptiness as prerequisite for attaining Narokacho pureland?
I received all the teachings in this tradition including uncommon inconceivable yoga, body mandala and Phowa. Realisation of emptiness in the usual sense that all the lamas refer to when they teach. It means attaining the path of seeing.
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You mean First Bhumi?
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If you received the teachings on the eleven yogas then you received the answer in the teachings. The lama who gave you the teachings would also have explained that the content of those teachings is not to be discussed with those who haven't received it.WeiHan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:12 pmI received all the teachings in this tradition including uncommon inconceivable yoga, body mandala and Phowa. Realisation of emptiness in the usual sense that all the lamas refer to when they teach. It means attaining the path of seeing.
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I must have missed something. I see deeper aspect of Dzogchen being discussed here. Throma being discussed also. I thought the rule is that discussing the general aspects will be alright, just not to go into the detailed visualisations and practices.PeterC wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:11 pmIf you received the teachings on the eleven yogas then you received the answer in the teachings. The lama who gave you the teachings would also have explained that the content of those teachings is not to be discussed with those who haven't received it.
Re: Realising Emptiness as prerequisite for attaining Narokacho pureland?
If you're talking about the uncommon Sakya tradition of Vajrayogini, that isn't Dzogchen and it isn't Throma Nagmo. And any Sakya lama that teaches it will be very explicit that all the teachings should be kept secret. Which is the default for anything requiring empowerment anyway. Rarely is there any benefit to talking about your practices in public.WeiHan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:29 pmI must have missed something. I see deeper aspect of Dzogchen being discussed here. Throma being discussed also. I thought the rule is that discussing the general aspects will be alright, just not to go into the detailed visualisations and practices.
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Thankyou so much, Malcolm, for your clarification.