Is that why a lot of lamas now say the signs are more compassion, less grasping and more devotion?Malcolm wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:04 pmYes, especially since it is not our power. Patrul Rinpoche discusses this in terms of pride, people boasting about their gurus as if their gurus' qualities rubs off on them.Crazywisdom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:40 pm But I catch your meaning. We put way too much importance on some woo woo power of so and so when it's not important at all.
It is as you say, if one understands the signs of the practices, it is pretty easy to know if one has reached this or that level of realization. But we are never supposed to say what that is.
Occasionally, however, some masters like Longchenpa, Tsongkhapa, or Khyentse Wangpo do let slip what realization they have attained in order to inspire disciples.
It seems a little contradictory as well when the signs are seeing this and that but then people get told what they experience is just a nyam and need to just keep practicing. I guess ultimately they are all nyams until Buddhahood.