Kagyu lineage/school which teaches shentong mahamudra or dzogchen?

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Schrödinger’s Yidam wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:36 pm
Malcolm wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:41 pm
Schrödinger’s Yidam wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:00 pm
One of your gurus was HHDL’s designated rainmaker. Do you believe he was actually capable of weather control?
Sure, but I would not stake your belief in this on my belief. These are just my feelings. They are not objective.
But it’s not the only way.
When it comes to Madhyamaka, its about what it is in the text, not in someone's invisible realization.
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When it comes to Madhyamaka, its about what it is in the text, not in someone's invisible realization.
Is rainbow body visible or invisible?
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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Schrödinger’s Yidam wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:39 pm
When it comes to Madhyamaka, its about what it is in the text, not in someone's invisible realization.
Is rainbow body visible or invisible?
You mean the shrinking of a body? That’s irrelevant to Madhyamaka. Nobody attains rainbow body through Madhyamaka.
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When it comes to Madhyamaka, its about what it is in the text, not in someone's invisible realization.
Is rainbow body visible or invisible?
You mean the shrinking of a body? That’s irrelevant to Madhyamaka. Nobody attains rainbow body through Madhyamaka.
Is it “just one’s feeling”? Or is it objectively verifiable? (Assuming that is you’re in proximity to see it.)
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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Schrödinger’s Yidam wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:07 pm

Is rainbow body visible or invisible?
You mean the shrinking of a body? That’s irrelevant to Madhyamaka. Nobody attains rainbow body through Madhyamaka.
Is it “just one’s feeling”? Or is it objectively verifiable? (Assuming that is you’re in proximity to see it.)
Rainbow body has never been empirically verified, unlike thugdam.
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Rainbow body has never been empirically verified, unlike thugdam.
What’s “thugdam”?
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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Schrödinger’s Yidam wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:57 pm
Rainbow body has never been empirically verified, unlike thugdam.
What’s “thugdam”?
When someone is clinically dead, but their body does not become livid and retains warmth for days and even weeks, presumably because they are in a state of samadhi.

There are medical teams now dispatched to observe this phenomena and in the past month two Gelug monks have shown this result.
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Off topic, but just saw on FB that a Western student has reportedly left thukdam, with signs. One of Tulku SangNgak's students.
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It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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conebeckham wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:04 pm Off topic, but just saw on FB that a Western student has reportedly left thukdam, with signs. One of Tulku SangNgak's students.
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