Karma Kagyu refuge tree

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Karma Kagyu refuge tree

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Hello! Does anyone have a Karma Kagyu refuge tree poster where they would write the names of the deities in each of the specific deities ? I seen some of them but most are in Tibetan which I am not familiar with. I feel more familiar with the sanskrit names of them , so if anyone does have it, please do post it here. Thanks!
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https://www.himalayanart.org/items/65861

There's detailed explanations of all the figures.

Incidentally, this is the earliest Refuge Tree painting known.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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conebeckham wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:18 pm 2Kamtsang tsokshing.jpg
Is this guy wearing steam-punk motorcycle goggles or is it just my imagination? :tongue:
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Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:37 pm
conebeckham wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:18 pm 2Kamtsang tsokshing.jpg
Is this guy wearing steam-punk motorcycle goggles or is it just my imagination? :tongue:
It is probably a pair like these:
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They are made of a semi-precious stone.

/magnus
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That's Paljor Dondrub, the first Gyaltsap Rinpoche. If I recall correctly, he had a "sun shade" (sunglasses?)---other images of him have a different depiction.......

I can't recall when or where I heard about this, but I'm searching now.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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This is very good refuge tree, even you can choose one, then click and it will show you descriptions,.I do not know if you can choose everyone, but mostly yes,.I think section of bodhisattva there is no description, and also up on the left and right do not show description

http://users.iafrica.com/b/bs/bscases/r ... getree.htm

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heart wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:01 pm
Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:37 pm
conebeckham wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:18 pm 2Kamtsang tsokshing.jpg
Is this guy wearing steam-punk motorcycle goggles or is it just my imagination? :tongue:
It is probably a pair like these:
Image
They are made of a semi-precious stone.

/magnus
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Simon E. wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:10 pm
I covet..
I have a pair I brought when I mistakenly visited Tibet.
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Simon E. wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:10 pm
heart wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:01 pm
Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:37 pm Is this guy wearing steam-punk motorcycle goggles or is it just my imagination? :tongue:
It is probably a pair like these:
Image
They are made of a semi-precious stone.

/magnus
I covet..
Me too, I had a pair that I bought in Nepal in 1985 but I lost them in a divorce. Life is cruel. :smile:

/magnus
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Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:26 pm
Simon E. wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:10 pm
I covet..
I have a pair I brought when I mistakenly visited Tibet.
Mistakenly? How did that happen?
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Miroku wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:34 pm
Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:26 pm
Simon E. wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:10 pm
I covet..
I have a pair I brought when I mistakenly visited Tibet.
Mistakenly? How did that happen?
I started off in Hong Kong with a friend of mine and then took a three day boat to Shanghai. During the trip I met some western students (women) studying in China. One of them was studying Tibetan Language and culture in Chengdu. I had no idea about Tibet. She said you have to visit here and here and there... She sent me to the eastern holy mountain Putuoshan, the western holy mountain Emeishan and up onto the Tibetan plateau to the Labrang monastary in Xiahe. I had no f*ckin' idea where I was going, but I had an awesome time going there!
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"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:38 pm
Miroku wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:34 pm
Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:26 pm I have a pair I brought when I mistakenly visited Tibet.
Mistakenly? How did that happen?
I started off in Hong Kong with a friend of mine and then took a three day boat to Shanghai. During the trip I met some western students (women) studying in China. One of them was studying Tibetan Language and culture in Chengdu. I had no idea about Tibet. She said you have to visit here and here and there... She sent me to the eastern holy mountain Putuoshan, the western holy mountain Emeishan and up onto the Tibetan plateau to the Labrang monastary in Xiahe. I had no f*ckin' idea where I was going, but I had an awesome time going there!
You where on your way home of course.

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Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:38 pm
Miroku wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:34 pm
Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:26 pm I have a pair I brought when I mistakenly visited Tibet.
Mistakenly? How did that happen?
I started off in Hong Kong with a friend of mine and then took a three day boat to Shanghai. During the trip I met some western students (women) studying in China. One of them was studying Tibetan Language and culture in Chengdu. I had no idea about Tibet. She said you have to visit here and here and there... She sent me to the eastern holy mountain Putuoshan, the western holy mountain Emeishan and up onto the Tibetan plateau to the Labrang monastary in Xiahe. I had no f*ckin' idea where I was going, but I had an awesome time going there!
:thumbsup:
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Grigoris wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:38 pmholy mountain Putuoshan, the western holy mountain Emeishan
It's great that you went there
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conebeckham wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:18 pm 2Kamtsang tsokshing.jpg
Hmm... how come this Karma Kagyu refuge tree looks different? Did I get the wrong one haha.. I’m confused !!
:(.
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MatthewAngby wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:46 am [/img]
conebeckham wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:18 pm 2Kamtsang tsokshing.jpg
Hmm... how come this Karma Kagyu refuge tree looks different? Did I get the wrong one haha.. I’m confused !!
:(.
It is because an other thangka painter painted it. They are the same in essence.

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heart wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:48 am
MatthewAngby wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:46 am [/img]
conebeckham wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:18 pm 2Kamtsang tsokshing.jpg
Hmm... how come this Karma Kagyu refuge tree looks different? Did I get the wrong one haha.. I’m confused !!
:(.
It is because an other thangka painter painted it. They are the same in essence.

/magnus
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MatthewAngby wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:46 am [/img]
conebeckham wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:18 pm 2Kamtsang tsokshing.jpg
Hmm... how come this Karma Kagyu refuge tree looks different? Did I get the wrong one haha.. I’m confused !!
:(.
That's a more recent, and far more common, rendition.
There are many variations.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།


"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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heart wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:48 am
MatthewAngby wrote: Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:46 am [/img]
conebeckham wrote: Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:18 pm 2Kamtsang tsokshing.jpg
Hmm... how come this Karma Kagyu refuge tree looks different? Did I get the wrong one haha.. I’m confused !!
:(.
It is because an other thangka painter painted it. They are the same in essence.

/magnus
Btw when I was reading the Torch of Certainty, it says the left hand branch sits countless bodhisattvas, shravakas and pratyekabuddhas of the Mahayana and Hinayana Sangha. Then it includes the lord of three families and the rest of the Buddha’s eight sons. Also it includes the Bodhisattvas of fortunate kalpas, The Buddha’s excellent pair of disciples , ananda, the sixteen elders and the rest. Also there are like a few more yidams described at the eastern branch, which are not seen in the thangka painting...

But... I don’t see the 16 elders and the countless bodhisattvas , shravakas and pratyekabuddhas as depicted in the sangha. Also , I don’t see the “additional” yidams as described in torch of certainty in the thangka painting.

Oh yes btw I’m talking about the thangka painting I shared.

Can anyone help my confused mind? Thanks a ton!
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