Yangti Nagpo Question

[KonchogUrgyenNyima]

Hello,

My question is about the YN ngondro. It must have it’s own ngondro correct? What is this called?

[Natan]

It does have one. Tulku Sangag teaches it. Write to Ewam [email protected]

[mutsuk]

The title is simply :

Yang ti nag po gser gyi 'bru gcig pa'i sngon 'gro, i.e., The Preliminaries of the Single Golden Syllable of the Black Quintessence.

Then you have :

rDzogs pa chen po yang ti nag po'i sngon 'gro gsol 'debs dang bcas ba, i.e., the Preliminaries of the Black Quintessence of the Great Perfection, together with its supplication prayer.

Other than that, there are also lineage masters prayers, special ngöndro proper (called sNgon 'gro snyan brgyud), and so on.

[heart]

The title is simply :

Yang ti nag po gser gyi 'bru gcig pa'i sngon 'gro, i.e., The Preliminaries of the Single Golden Syllable of the Black Quintessence.

Then you have :

rDzogs pa chen po yang ti nag po'i sngon 'gro gsol 'debs dang bcas ba, i.e., the Preliminaries of the Black Quintessence of the Great Perfection, together with its supplication prayer.

Other than that, there are also lineage masters prayers, special ngöndro proper (called sNgon 'gro snyan brgyud), and so on.

And Guru, Yidam and Dakini practices, right?

/magnus

[mutsuk]

Not in the context of the preliminaries, which was the opening question of the thread.

[Malcolm]

Hello,

My question is about the YN ngondro. It must have it’s own ngondro correct? What is this called?

Dungso Repa’s original transmission was only a zhitro empowerment and practice along with the 7 week instruction. A large amount of ancillary material was added in the 19th century.

[mutsuk]

... was only ...

Obviously not.

[Malcolm]

... was only ...

Obviously not.

If you say so...

[mutsuk]

... was only ...

Obviously not.

If you say so...

Depending on the editions (and not taking into account later additions), it has a root-tantra, a history (lo-rgyus), a karchag, some ngöndros, etc.

[Malcolm]

Obviously not.

If you say so...

Depending on the editions (and not taking into account later additions), it has a root-tantra, a history (lo-rgyus), a karchag, some ngöndros, etc.

Ok, I agree. The issue is the all the deity yoga practices and so on, these were the later additions to which i was referring.

[yagmort]

... The issue is the all the deity yoga practices and so on, these were the later additions to which i was referring...

Malcolm, doest it make earlier/original Yangti Nagpo more along the lines with Vima Nyingtig?
another question is it known who and when made the later additions and why?
and yet another question is it transmitted in its original form nowadays at all?

[Malcolm]

... The issue is the all the deity yoga practices and so on, these were the later additions to which i was referring...

Malcolm, doest it make earlier/original Yangti Nagpo more along the lines with Vima Nyingtig?
another question is it known who and when made the later additions and why?
and yet another question is it transmitted in its original form nowadays at all?

We do know who supplemented the treasure cycle, though the name escapes me at the moment. I am not privy to motivations of tertons, so I cannot ascertain why. Chogyal Namkhai Norbu used to give the transmission for the essential dark retreat scrolls, which also form part of his Longsal cycle.

[bhava]

Trulshik Dongag Lingpa added.
https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?tit ... gak_Lingpa
I think nowadays those additional aspects of the Yangti - Three Roots - are also thought a lot by Gyalwang Drugpa, I guess.

[Danny]

Hello,

My question is about the YN ngondro. It must have it’s own ngondro correct? What is this called?

Yes, but ngondro can just mean “preparation” it can also mean ngondro as a 100,000 type of system,
Modern times appears that there is a 100,000 preparation, stages and paths stuff, but for a traditional Yangti, ngondro can just mean, Making the right preparation for that retreat. I leave it at that.

Modern and traditional here just means what the teacher requires. It’s up to them, and I’m not passing judgement on it.

[Danny]

Let me qualify that a little better, vajrayana students can develop certain thought patterns, and feel that a ngondro is required for taking certain practices, so teachers can also develop that pattern, and accommodate students in that way. One feels there’s a reward for doing something’s.
Really it’s down to a mutual students and teachers capacity.

[KonchogUrgyenNyima]

It does have one. Tulku Sangag teaches it. Write to Ewam [email protected]

Will do, thank you so much.

[KonchogUrgyenNyima]

The title is simply :

Yang ti nag po gser gyi 'bru gcig pa'i sngon 'gro, i.e., The Preliminaries of the Single Golden Syllable of the Black Quintessence.

Then you have :

rDzogs pa chen po yang ti nag po'i sngon 'gro gsol 'debs dang bcas ba, i.e., the Preliminaries of the Black Quintessence of the Great Perfection, together with its supplication prayer.

Other than that, there are also lineage masters prayers, special ngöndro proper (called sNgon 'gro snyan brgyud), and so on.

That’s very helpful, thank you