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Tashi delek dear Nyingmapas,

Steven Seagal was recognised by H.H. Penor Rinpoche as a Tulku.
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http://www.palyul.org/docs/statement.html
I know that Seagal has a reputation for lying about his history, abilities and influences and doing absolutely anything to increase his perceived status. According to Orville Schell he has "variously alluded to having been a member of the yakuza, a Zen adept, a CIA operative, a green beret and a Navy SEAL."

He also caught a lot of flack in mma more recently for claiming to have taught Anderson Silva how to do a high front kick, implying that he was the secret behind several high level fighters (this has been mocked by MANY fight experts) and there are dozens of stories on the internet from actors who have worked with him about him being an unbelievably arrogant control freak.

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Sorry, I notice now that this was addressed to Nyingmapas (which I am not).
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swooping wrote:http://www.palyul.org/docs/statement.html
I know that Seagal has a reputation for lying about his history, abilities and influences and doing absolutely anything to increase his perceived status. According to Orville Schell he has "variously alluded to having been a member of the yakuza, a Zen adept, a CIA operative, a green beret and a Navy SEAL."

He also caught a lot of flack in mma more recently for claiming to have taught Anderson Silva how to do a high front kick, implying that he was the secret behind several high level fighters (this has been mocked by MANY fight experts) and there are dozens of stories on the internet from actors who have worked with him about him being an unbelievably arrogant control freak.

EDIT:
Sorry, I notice now that this was addressed to Nyingmapas (which I am not).

Tashi delek S,

Thanks as a non Nyingmapa for your useful information.
I saw that H.H. Penor Rinpoche did the recognition and that is for me enough to accept that as valid that he IS a Tulku.

By the way i like his style of Aiki do, he is realy good in this. Further a good Holywood actor, no doubt about it.
Then in how far he is developing Bodhi citta, i don`t know and i guess so that is very personal here, like everywhere.


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Perhaps the mods could root out some of the previous threads on Seagal.

In the meantime, I'll just take the opportunity to say that in the first place, tulku recognition is very questionable. One of my own closest teachers, shortly before he passed, recognized a (Western) person as a tulku only after the person in question had pestered him into doing so for a long time. Historically, there have been many, many examples of tulkus recognized by some very prominent teachers and disowned by others -- the Karmapa controversy being perhaps the most famous.

In the second place, being a "tulku" doess not necessarily work out to be something amazing and special. Even if one were to hypothetically accept that a person was a tulku (whatever that might mean to you), if one does not go through the relevant training, one would not be able to maximize one's capacity for benefiting beings, which is after all the primary reason for tulkus' existence.

You can admire Seagal's martial arts ability (acting, I'm not so sure about) without laying all kinds of metaphysical assumptions onto it. Deagal himself does not seem to be too interested in Buddhism anymore anyway.
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A cut and paste from the link provided above:
...a tulku needs to complete a formal course of training which includes years of study and meditation. This training reawakens the tulku's powers of insight and compassion and develops their skillful means for helping others. It is only after such training that a tulku is ready to take on the role of a teacher.

In the case of Steven Seagal, he has been formally recognized as a tulku, but has not been officially enthroned. He has also not undergone the lengthy process of study and practice necessary to fully realize what I view as his potential for helping others
That sort of diffuses the drama imo.
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Don't really know why this has come up again at this time.
Here's what I know. Hollywood manufactures personalities.
The person behind the celebrity is rarely anything like the
that public persona. Not only was he recognized by H.H
but he has the general support of Palyul monks at Namdrolling.
They all love him. Of course, he also sponsors many things
for the monastery, the activity of HH Penor Rnpoche, and
presumably also the current Palyul throne-holder, the Karma Kuchen.
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swooping wrote:http://www.palyul.org/docs/statement.html
I know that Seagal has a reputation for lying about his history, abilities and influences and doing absolutely anything to increase his perceived status. According to Orville Schell he has "variously alluded to having been a member of the yakuza, a Zen adept, a CIA operative, a green beret and a Navy SEAL."

He also caught a lot of flack in mma more recently for claiming to have taught Anderson Silva how to do a high front kick, implying that he was the secret behind several high level fighters (this has been mocked by MANY fight experts) and there are dozens of stories on the internet from actors who have worked with him about him being an unbelievably arrogant control freak.

EDIT:
Sorry, I notice now that this was addressed to Nyingmapas (which I am not).

Knew an old vet. Who swore on his lord and savior he met seagal in nam on a sog mission........... :shrug:
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Son of Buddha wrote: Knew an old vet. Who swore on his lord and savior he met seagal in nam on a sog mission........... :shrug:
Wiki says he was born in 1952. So it is possible, but just barely.
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2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
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ngodrup wrote:Don't really know why this has come up again at this time.
Here's what I know. Hollywood manufactures personalities.
The person behind the celebrity is rarely anything like the
that public persona. Not only was he recognized by H.H
but he has the general support of Palyul monks at Namdrolling.
They all love him. Of course, he also sponsors many things
for the monastery, the activity of HH Penor Rnpoche, and
presumably also the current Palyul throne-holder, the Karma Kuchen.

Yes that`s what i know too, that Steven is supporting Nyingma, He can afford that and i see this as very positive karma, to feed the monks etc.
We have in Gelug also a Holywood star named Richard Gere and he is also supporting the Gelug with huge amounts of money.
Which Holywood movies do you like ? Well i like Steven Seagal movies :D

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kalden yungdrung wrote: Thanks as a non Nyingmapa for your useful information.
I saw that H.H. Penor Rinpoche did the recognition and that is for me enough to accept that as valid that he IS a Tulku.
I agree on this point. BUT - HHPR has many students who are basically tulku worshipers and that is not the point.

Having said that, we all need to develop positive qualities and minimize negative qualities.

As HH Karma Kuchen Rinpoche said do your practice and don't gossip (I mean this nicely).

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seagal is very great legitamate martial artist/master, unfortunately most cannot see this because they dislike his character and think hes arrogant..
people have made tonnes of stories up about him because they "DISLIKE HIM".

this guy is VERY VERY great but most people cannot see this

many people dislike his character and thats where a lot of hate and fake stories comes from.
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tyler2 wrote:seagal is very great legitamate martial artist/master, unfortunately most cannot see this because they dislike his character and think hes arrogant..
people have made tonnes of stories up about him because they "DISLIKE HIM".

this guy is VERY VERY great but most people cannot see this

many people dislike his character and thats where a lot of hate and fake stories comes from.
Perhaps,

But one thing is certain - at this point he has not yet lived up to his potential and he is not displaying extraordinary spiritual qualities. Sorry, but that is just the case. I wish him well and hope that one day he will be able to accomplish extraordinary spiritual activities.

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tyler2 wrote:seagal is very great legitamate martial artist/master, unfortunately most cannot see this because they dislike his character and think hes arrogant..
people have made tonnes of stories up about him because they "DISLIKE HIM".

this guy is VERY VERY great but most people cannot see this

many people dislike his character and thats where a lot of hate and fake stories comes from.
I think Steven Seagal is a legit martial artist, I was very impressed with a documentary I watched on his aikido years ago. Also, despite the lack of respect he gets from most mama fighters, Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida both really do say that he helps them. Thats amazing.

But there are a lot of stories about him by people who don't really need to make stories up. John Leguizamo, Tom Arnold, Rob Schneider and Stephen Quadros have all worked with him and shared stories, and Orville Schnell (in "Virtual Tibet") talks about how odd he seemed, as well as scared people were to talk about him.
I'm not saying they're real, I don't know him or them, but what makes you so sure that they are fake? Do you know Seagal personally?
There are lot's of legit martial arts masters who are not nice people at all.

Again, I don't know him, I'm not saying he's a bad guy or that there isn't another side to all the stories about him, just curious why you're so certain the stories are not true.
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ive never met him but i recognize theres something very great about him (Karmic link?)and i also aware of many peoples dislike to him/his character, (he comes across arrogant but i dont think he means to)

Also about his claims being special agent etc
Look at the caliber of people he is close friends with such as Vladimir putin, presidnet of russia who is also a martial artist, they share interest in martial arts but i believe Putin also requested that Seagal be some kind of correspondant between america and russia, it Shows you the level of respect Putin had for him.

i believe he is still now the only foreigner to ever have his own dojo in Japan and the japanese hated americans/foreigners at that time this is immense respect from them
because he excelled so much at aikido (7th dan), the japanese who invented Judo, JuJitsu (known martial arts to work in mma) must have been very impressed with him
believe it or not Aikido is a art based on universal love and most people who have studied it dont believe in the mystical side.

Japan was very racist at the time because of the bombings of WW2, so yeah to let him have his own dojo shows you how good he was, it would not be unreasonable to assume he was member of the Yakuza.
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Steven Seagal = Boss :guns:
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As far as a buddhist discussion board goes, the only relevant issue about him is his recognition as a tulku by Penor R. The link provided above explains that "recognition" is not an endorsement of his qualities as a teacher. He would have to undergo the proper training for that, and he has not done so afaik.

If anyone likes him, or admires him, or likes his acting, or admires his accomplishments as a marital artist, or appreciates his generosity to monasteries, they are entitled to their personal opinions. However that is far different than saying he has been endorsed to actively teach Buddhadharma. He has not. Again; he has not done the proper training for that (afaik).
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2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
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Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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T. Chokyi wrote:SHOULD YOU CHIME IN ON THIS?
No, I shouldn't. I am not a Nyingmapa and whether or not Steven Seagal has been correctly identified as a tulku makes no difference to me or my practice...

What?
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T. Chokyi wrote:SHOULD YOU CHIME IN ON THIS?

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live ... is/2941773
Yes - most Western tulkus have been disappointments. At the very least they could be inspirational due to an unfeigned display of one positive quality, Most haven't engaged in serious practice and only some have engaged in serious training. This is very disappointing. They need to pull their heads out of their rectums and display one good quality in great abundance. Most just display bull-headedness and an attachment to status.

In the case of Steven Seagal he has demonstrated impressive generosity. But it has been mixed with embarrassing events, some taken from earlier in his life but some taken from after the time he was recognized. So going forward, his life must be impeccable.

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