He been doing that, like a lot.
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He been doing that, like a lot.
If you received transmission you’re inextricably affiliated with the lineage, which is the only affiliation that really matters.Damchö_Dorje wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:51 pm I am Norbu Rinpoche's student, through the webcast, relatively late in his life (November 2016).
I have wondered whether to be affiliated with DC, because I have come across conflicting information re: if it is required for samaya reasons. Sometimes the language has been that people in the Community have received teachings that affiliation is required.
Tata1 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:50 pmSādhaka wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:07 pm There was recent talk of ‘anti-vaxx’ sentiment within the Dzogchen Community; and I can get with that. I’m totally fine with it.
However SMS instructors & students denying rebirth (as opposed to being simply agnostic regarding it), or equating the Natural State with “universal consciousness”? That’s beyond silly.
I mean if you want to practice both Dzogchen and Samkhya, in separate sessions, to see if they possibly lead to the same fruition (or to see if they are totally different) is one thing; but don’t mix things up, especially if you’re a SMS instructor, right?
This is the kind of talk that i dont find helpful at all. Talking about sms instructors(or any other person for that matter) with no name and criticising them because of things the supposely said or believe.
I understand the point of Sms not being a definitive authority on matters but slandering them in the basis of he said, she said are the kind of things that made this thread lock down.
krodha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:07 amDamchö_Dorje wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:51 pm I am Norbu Rinpoche's student, through the webcast, relatively late in his life (November 2016).
I have wondered whether to be affiliated with DC, because I have come across conflicting information re: if it is required for samaya reasons. Sometimes the language has been that people in the Community have received teachings that affiliation is required.
You have no obligation to be affiliated with the DC organization.
Maybe. I was with ChNN since 2008 and never officially joined DC. Sort of joined in 2015 when I visited Tenerife, but then my info was lost somehow. I eventually just resorted to notifying the Shang Shung store that i had X transmission and wanted X book via message and they’d just send it.amanitamusc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:48 am
No obligation but if he wants to get the material he needs to practice what he recieved from Rinpoche then that would be all the reason he needs to join DC.
Norwegian wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:49 pm Of all the myriad Tibetan Buddhist teachers out there, there's a number of unqualified teachers who presents themselves as qualified. This is normal. We know this happens.
So, it is up to people to do the necessary work to find out if a teacher is qualified or not. This can take a very short amount of time, but it can also take many years. It's always been like this. There is much in classical literature about how a student should be, and how a teacher should be, and we are constantly urged to familiarize ourselves well with these texts, knowing what positive qualities a student and a teacher should have, and what students a teacher should avoid, and likewise what teachers a student should avoid.
And, I am sure (in fact I know) that from Chögyal Namkhai Norbu's students, some are qualified to teach Dzogchen. Whether their activities occurs under the official institutional umbrella of the name "Dzogchen Community" or not, is really not the most important thing. The most important thing is that the teachings are practiced and preserved in a qualified way. In that way ChNN's teachings will survive for a long time to come.
All in all, I think, that the DC will have to decide whether they want to support this process or not. Because this process will unfold and maturate one way or another, regardless of what the DC says, due to good practitioners and qualified teachers. And so, if those who received teachings from ChNN follows his advice of working with circumstances, and doing their best, then I think over time, things won't be as bleak as they may seem right now.
That is my hope at least.
SS Italy as in https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/en/ ? Doesn’t ask for anything solid like that; I’m not a member and purchase restricted texts fineamanitamusc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:05 am Shang Shung Italy asks for your ID# and which Gar you are with and always has.AFAIK
Also Shang Shung Tsegyalgar does not have as many E books as SS Italy does.
the SSI usa store lets you put in "0000" or whatever if you are not a member of a gar or ling, which AFAIK is entirely appropriate because the texts are connected to transmission, not DC membership. I have bought a lot of stuff from them, and only paid dues for maybe half the time.amanitamusc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:05 am Shang Shung Italy asks for your ID# and which Gar you are with and always has.AFAIK
Also Shang Shung Tsegyalgar does not have as many E books as SS Italy does.
Yes this is the site i am reffering to and i stand corrected.Things have changed and they no longer ask for the ID# and Gar.GrapeLover wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 amSS Italy as in https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/en/ ? Doesn’t ask for anything solid like that; I’m not a member and purchase restricted texts fineamanitamusc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:05 am Shang Shung Italy asks for your ID# and which Gar you are with and always has.AFAIK
Also Shang Shung Tsegyalgar does not have as many E books as SS Italy does.
It amazes me they ever did, to be honest.amanitamusc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:29 amYes this is the site i am reffering to and i stand corrected.Things have changed and they no longer ask for the ID# and Gar.GrapeLover wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:08 amSS Italy as in https://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/en/ ? Doesn’t ask for anything solid like that; I’m not a member and purchase restricted texts fineamanitamusc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:05 am Shang Shung Italy asks for your ID# and which Gar you are with and always has.AFAIK
Also Shang Shung Tsegyalgar does not have as many E books as SS Italy does.
For me, if someone tells me that he/she doesn't believe in rebirth or believes in the "universal consciousness", I would ask first to define the terms. I know well-schooled buddhists who say they don't believe in reincarnation. In India, there are anti-Shankara who consider that he had the same doctrine than Nagarjuna.
Which is a reason to be grateful.krodha wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:07 amIf you received transmission you’re inextricably affiliated with the lineage, which is the only affiliation that really matters.Damchö_Dorje wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:51 pm I am Norbu Rinpoche's student, through the webcast, relatively late in his life (November 2016).
I have wondered whether to be affiliated with DC, because I have come across conflicting information re: if it is required for samaya reasons. Sometimes the language has been that people in the Community have received teachings that affiliation is required.
You have no obligation to be affiliated with the DC organization.
If by reincarnation, they mean reincarnation as it is understood by theosophists, I don't think so.
If they deny rebirth, the continuation of a series of aggregate from this life to the next, then yes; if they merely negate an atman that takes rebirth, than no.