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Spelare wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:47 pm
Pero wrote: Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:05 pm
Spelare wrote: Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:58 pm What does Rinpoche teach as far as whether it is okay to integrate practices received from other teachers/lineages into a tun that includes Ati Guruyoga? Is this something that is fine for individual practice, but in group practice it should only be Dzogchen Community practices? What if, hypothetically, all the members of our local sangha had received transmission for a certain practice from another qualified master? Could we incorporate his/her practices into the DC tun structure?
I'm not 100% sure if I'm getting you right but yes he does teach on it and that is that in general it's not ok to mix practices and transmissions.
So, in other words, if I have practices from my other gurus, they have to be in a separate session? That's not terribly efficient, but I will do that if necessary. I was hoping I could just do all of them within a single session, beginning with refuge and ending with dedication of merits.
Well all practices have to contain refuge/bodhicitta, main part and dedication. I suppose you could do refuge/bodhiccitta and then in the main part all the main part of the practices you want to do one after the other and then dedicate. This is not "DC tun structure" though, it's just how all Mahayana Buddhist practices should be. There is nothing wrong with doing refuge and dedication multiple times either. So you could also do a bunch of practices from refuge till dedication one after the other in a single sitting. There might be some exceptions to this however, like for example you're not supposed to do ganapuja and purification of six lokas together if I recall correctly.
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Pero wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:56 pm
Spelare wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:47 pm
Pero wrote: Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:05 pm
I'm not 100% sure if I'm getting you right but yes he does teach on it and that is that in general it's not ok to mix practices and transmissions.
So, in other words, if I have practices from my other gurus, they have to be in a separate session? That's not terribly efficient, but I will do that if necessary. I was hoping I could just do all of them within a single session, beginning with refuge and ending with dedication of merits.
Well all practices have to contain refuge/bodhicitta, main part and dedication. I suppose you could do refuge/bodhiccitta and then in the main part all the main part of the practices you want to do one after the other and then dedicate. This is not "DC tun structure" though, it's just how all Mahayana Buddhist practices should be. There is nothing wrong with doing refuge and dedication multiple times either. So you could also do a bunch of practices from refuge till dedication one after the other in a single sitting. There might be some exceptions to this however, like for example you're not supposed to do ganapuja and purification of six lokas together if I recall correctly.
I never really understood why no 6locas and puja, do you happen to know why?
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Miroku wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:17 pm
Pero wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:56 pm
Spelare wrote: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:47 pm

So, in other words, if I have practices from my other gurus, they have to be in a separate session? That's not terribly efficient, but I will do that if necessary. I was hoping I could just do all of them within a single session, beginning with refuge and ending with dedication of merits.
Well all practices have to contain refuge/bodhicitta, main part and dedication. I suppose you could do refuge/bodhiccitta and then in the main part all the main part of the practices you want to do one after the other and then dedicate. This is not "DC tun structure" though, it's just how all Mahayana Buddhist practices should be. There is nothing wrong with doing refuge and dedication multiple times either. So you could also do a bunch of practices from refuge till dedication one after the other in a single sitting. There might be some exceptions to this however, like for example you're not supposed to do ganapuja and purification of six lokas together if I recall correctly.
I never really understood why no 6locas and puja, do you happen to know why?
Sorry, I don't remember the reasoning for it.
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Is there a translated text that talks more about the Song of the Vajra? There is that small piece from Nyida Khajor in the SoV book but it would be nice to read more.
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Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:33 pm Is there a translated text that talks more about the Song of the Vajra? There is that small piece from Nyida Khajor in the SoV book but it would be nice to read more.
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can be found in http://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/ and other places, but is restricted material. afaik requires DI and lung of SOV.
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:48 pm
Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:33 pm Is there a translated text that talks more about the Song of the Vajra? There is that small piece from Nyida Khajor in the SoV book but it would be nice to read more.
yes. Image

can be found in http://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/ and other places, but is restricted material. afaik requires DI and lung of SOV.
I mean bigger parts from a tantra or other texts that talk about the song. I have read this book :D
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Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:51 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:48 pm
Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:33 pm Is there a translated text that talks more about the Song of the Vajra? There is that small piece from Nyida Khajor in the SoV book but it would be nice to read more.
yes. Image

can be found in http://shop.shangshungfoundation.com/ and other places, but is restricted material. afaik requires DI and lung of SOV.
I mean bigger parts from a tantra or other texts that talk about the song. I have read this book :D
oh, if you connect the dots then the longsal series can be the answer.

also, afaik ChNN said once that SOV can be found in sutras, but i don't know exactly where search for it :(
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:55 pm oh, if you connect the dots then the longsal series can be the answer.

also, afaik ChNN said once that SOV can be found in sutras, but i don't know exactly where search for it :(
Also, I was wondering if SoV is practiced by other lineages. I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else so far.
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Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:57 pm I was wondering if SoV is practiced by other lineages. I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else so far.
Not in the way ChNN teaches no.
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Norwegian wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:06 pm
Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:57 pm I was wondering if SoV is practiced by other lineages. I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else so far.
Not in the way ChNN teaches no.
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Check out the Union of the Sun and Moon Tantra (nyi zla kha sbyor).
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Norwegian wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:06 pm
Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:57 pm I was wondering if SoV is practiced by other lineages. I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else so far.
Not in the way ChNN teaches no.
Actually in a drukpa center where i live its included in konchog chidu but i think it was included because of an aspicious coincidence with chnn. The teacher said it is sometimes practiced in drukpa kagyu
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Sherab Rigdrol wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:21 pm Check out the Union of the Sun and Moon Tantra (nyi zla kha sbyor).
It doesn't seem to have been translated.
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It has by Christopher Wilkinson. I have not read it so i can't vouch for its quality.

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Sherab Rigdrol wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:39 pm It has by Christopher Wilkinson. I have not read it so i can't vouch for its quality.

https://www.amazon.com/Secret-Kissing-S ... bc?ie=UTF8
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Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:57 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:55 pm oh, if you connect the dots then the longsal series can be the answer.

also, afaik ChNN said once that SOV can be found in sutras, but i don't know exactly where search for it :(
Also, I was wondering if SoV is practiced by other lineages. I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else so far.
Yes, it is. But not with ChNNR's melody. Often a part of liberation of wearing mantras. Also there are several version.

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heart wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:52 am
Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:57 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:55 pm oh, if you connect the dots then the longsal series can be the answer.

also, afaik ChNN said once that SOV can be found in sutras, but i don't know exactly where search for it :(
Also, I was wondering if SoV is practiced by other lineages. I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else so far.
Yes, it is. But not with ChNNR's melody. Often a part of liberation of wearing mantras. Also there are several version.

/magnus
Yes, if I remember correctly the melody is really something special. It came to Rinpoche as a part of his Jnanadakiny dreams or it is from Jnanadakini. Either way it is special.
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Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:57 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:55 pm oh, if you connect the dots then the longsal series can be the answer.

also, afaik ChNN said once that SOV can be found in sutras, but i don't know exactly where search for it :(
Also, I was wondering if SoV is practiced by other lineages. I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else so far.
It is in the The Ocean of Amrita puja (Ngakso Drubchen) from the Chokling Tersar.
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Miroku wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:22 am
heart wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:52 am
Aryjna wrote: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:57 pm

Also, I was wondering if SoV is practiced by other lineages. I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere else so far.
Yes, it is. But not with ChNNR's melody. Often a part of liberation of wearing mantras. Also there are several version.

/magnus
Yes, if I remember correctly the melody is really something special. It came to Rinpoche as a part of his Jnanadakiny dreams or it is from Jnanadakini. Either way it is special.
No, I think he got it from Ekajati in a dream.

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