Dzogchen Community of Chogyal Namkhai Norbu

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heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:46 am
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:20 am
Spelare wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:43 am At a local shop, I have found a very nice statue of Samantabhadra in union with his consort, but am deciding whether to buy it. Is this the sort of image that might be helpful for any DC practices? There is an opening in the base, so I would probably also have it ritually filled by a local monk qualified to do so.
in general samanthabadra-samanthabadri yab-yum is not specifically used in IDC practices.
It is used in Changchub Dorje's Shitro practice.

/magnus
and in Changchub dorjes Phowa
The ancient translators - Kawa Paltseg, Vairocana - all concentrated on meaning, on the real sence. Even if the words do not correspond perfectly between Sanskrit & Tibetan, they concentrated more on the essence. Those who translated later concentrated more on the literal text, on the words.
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Is the practice text for Changchub Dorje's Shitro available through the Shang Shung stores or website? He's given the formal initiation and the lung a few times.

Thanks,

Jason
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jbaumannmontilla wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:34 pm Is the practice text for Changchub Dorje's Shitro available through the Shang Shung stores or website? He's given the formal initiation and the lung a few times.

Thanks,

Jason
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jbaumannmontilla wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:34 pm Is the practice text for Changchub Dorje's Shitro available through the Shang Shung stores or website? He's given the formal initiation and the lung a few times.

Thanks,

Jason
No, I hope they will make booklet one day. Rinpoche gives the tibetan text of the sadhana if you ask and some people have done translations but I hesitate to mention them in an open forum.

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heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:01 pm
jbaumannmontilla wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:34 pm Is the practice text for Changchub Dorje's Shitro available through the Shang Shung stores or website? He's given the formal initiation and the lung a few times.

Thanks,

Jason
No, I hope they will make booklet one day. Rinpoche gives the tibetan text of the sadhana if you ask and some people have done translations but I hesitate to mention them in an open forum.

/magnus
ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:01 pm
jbaumannmontilla wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:34 pm Is the practice text for Changchub Dorje's Shitro available through the Shang Shung stores or website? He's given the formal initiation and the lung a few times.

Thanks,

Jason
No, I hope they will make booklet one day. Rinpoche gives the tibetan text of the sadhana if you ask and some people have done translations but I hesitate to mention them in an open forum.

/magnus
ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?

outside of Tibet : afaik yes!
The ancient translators - Kawa Paltseg, Vairocana - all concentrated on meaning, on the real sence. Even if the words do not correspond perfectly between Sanskrit & Tibetan, they concentrated more on the essence. Those who translated later concentrated more on the literal text, on the words.
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lelopa wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:22 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:01 pm

No, I hope they will make booklet one day. Rinpoche gives the tibetan text of the sadhana if you ask and some people have done translations but I hesitate to mention them in an open forum.

/magnus
ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?

outside of Tibet : afaik yes!
who? :o
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:24 pm
lelopa wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:22 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm

ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?

outside of Tibet : afaik yes!
who? :o
what who?!?
The ancient translators - Kawa Paltseg, Vairocana - all concentrated on meaning, on the real sence. Even if the words do not correspond perfectly between Sanskrit & Tibetan, they concentrated more on the essence. Those who translated later concentrated more on the literal text, on the words.
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lelopa wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:22 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:01 pm

No, I hope they will make booklet one day. Rinpoche gives the tibetan text of the sadhana if you ask and some people have done translations but I hesitate to mention them in an open forum.

/magnus
ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?

outside of Tibet : afaik yes!

No, there is also Lama Wangdor.
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Malcolm wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:39 pm
lelopa wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:22 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm

ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?

outside of Tibet : afaik yes!

No, there is also Lama Wangdor.
oh... ok
:thanks:
The ancient translators - Kawa Paltseg, Vairocana - all concentrated on meaning, on the real sence. Even if the words do not correspond perfectly between Sanskrit & Tibetan, they concentrated more on the essence. Those who translated later concentrated more on the literal text, on the words.
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javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:01 pm
jbaumannmontilla wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:34 pm Is the practice text for Changchub Dorje's Shitro available through the Shang Shung stores or website? He's given the formal initiation and the lung a few times.

Thanks,

Jason
No, I hope they will make booklet one day. Rinpoche gives the tibetan text of the sadhana if you ask and some people have done translations but I hesitate to mention them in an open forum.

/magnus
ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?
Changchub Dorjes son, who gave ChNNR most of the empowerments for his termas.

/magnus
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heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:37 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:01 pm

No, I hope they will make booklet one day. Rinpoche gives the tibetan text of the sadhana if you ask and some people have done translations but I hesitate to mention them in an open forum.

/magnus
ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?
Changchub Dorjes son, who gave ChNNR most of the empowerments for his termas.

/magnus

And what is his name, please ?
Is he active as a teacher ?
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florin wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:00 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:37 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm

ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?
Changchub Dorjes son, who gave ChNNR most of the empowerments for his termas.

/magnus

And what is his name, please ?
Is he active as a teacher ?
I know nothing about him (and I am not even certain who it was that told me). Perhaps Malcolm know this?

/magnus
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heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:17 pm
florin wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:00 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:37 pm

Changchub Dorjes son, who gave ChNNR most of the empowerments for his termas.

/magnus

And what is his name, please ?
Is he active as a teacher ?
I know nothing about him (and I am not even certain who it was that told me). Perhaps Malcolm know this?

/magnus
My memory is a little fuzzy here, but perhaps you refer to ChNN receiving Adzom Drugpa's termas from Adzom Drugpa's son, Adzom Gyalse Gyurme Dorje, but confusing the two? Otherwise I'm not sure.

From what I do remember, Changchub Dorje had a daughter named Atha Lhamo, who also attained rainbow body. And she had a son, who is still alive and well in Khamdogar in Tibet.

Here are some photos of him, Lama Garwang Dorje:

Image
Image
Image

And with ChNN:
Image

He is supposed to look quite similar to Changchub Dorje, from what people in Tibet say.
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Norwegian wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:34 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:17 pm
florin wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:00 pm

And what is his name, please ?
Is he active as a teacher ?
I know nothing about him (and I am not even certain who it was that told me). Perhaps Malcolm know this?

/magnus
My memory is a little fuzzy here, but perhaps you refer to ChNN receiving Adzom Drugpa's termas from Adzom Drugpa's son, Adzom Gyalse Gyurme Dorje, but confusing the two? Otherwise I'm not sure.

From what I do remember, Changchub Dorje had a daughter named Atha Lhamo, who also attained rainbow body. And she had a son, who is still alive and well in Khamdogar in Tibet.

Here are some photos of him, Lama Garwang Dorje:

Image
Image
Image

And with ChNN:
Image

He is supposed to look quite similar to Changchub Dorje, from what people in Tibet say.
So Lama Garwang Dorje is Changchub Dorje's grandson it appears ...
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Norwegian wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:34 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:17 pm
florin wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:00 pm

And what is his name, please ?
Is he active as a teacher ?
I know nothing about him (and I am not even certain who it was that told me). Perhaps Malcolm know this?

/magnus
My memory is a little fuzzy here, but perhaps you refer to ChNN receiving Adzom Drugpa's termas from Adzom Drugpa's son, Adzom Gyalse Gyurme Dorje, but confusing the two? Otherwise I'm not sure.
I certainly could confuse the two, my memory is very fuzzy even at the best of times. :smile:

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This page may be of interest.It has information on Changchub Dorje and his
grandson/son?https://thegterma.wordpress.com/tag/ter ... t-pendant/
I don't know who put this up or how accurate it is.
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heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:06 pm
Norwegian wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:34 pm
heart wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:17 pm

I know nothing about him (and I am not even certain who it was that told me). Perhaps Malcolm know this?

/magnus
My memory is a little fuzzy here, but perhaps you refer to ChNN receiving Adzom Drugpa's termas from Adzom Drugpa's son, Adzom Gyalse Gyurme Dorje, but confusing the two? Otherwise I'm not sure.
I certainly could confuse the two, my memory is very fuzzy even at the best of times. :smile:

/magnus
No, you are right. Changchub Dorje directed Norbu Rinpoche to get his termas from his son. And he also received Adzom Drugpa's termas from Adzom Drugpa's son.
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Malcolm wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:39 pm
lelopa wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:22 pm
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:34 pm

ChNN is the only known holder of ChchD teachings?

outside of Tibet : afaik yes!


No, there is also Lama Wangdor.
Havent had a chance to meet him yet but a month ago i had a chance to recive teachings from lama lena who is his diciple in tashigar south. She read a oral teaching from changchub dorje and coment on it. It was quite a powerfull "pointing out" experience. She is amazing.
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If one wants or thinks that need to practice in a more extensive or intensive way the purification of element how one should do it?

Repiting the purification section of a tun a number of times. Repiting each element a number of times as a stand alone practice?

Advice please
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