Ishvara in early root Tantra

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Ishvara in early root Tantra

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Ishvara in context of the special, or spiritual self, and not the moniker for Shiva?
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Danny wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:29 pm Ishvara in context of the special, or spiritual self, and not the moniker for Shiva?
Huh?
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Sure,

the god of delight Etrid Isvara

And...

I received my body from the prefect Isvara, and in the abode of light rays, that is the speech of our teacher,
I find bliss to be natural
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Danny wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:38 pm Sure,

the god of delight Etrid Isvara

And...

I received my body from the prefect Isvara, and in the abode of light rays, that is the speech of our teacher,
I find bliss to be natural
What is this from?
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Dra Thalgyur
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Danny wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:08 pmDra Thalgyur
dga' byed dbang phyug is the person who receives the tantra from the Buddha. It has nothing to do with a spiritual self, it is the name of a devaputra.

This translation is very mistaken.
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Malcolm wrote: Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:15 pm it is the name of a devaputra.

This translation is very mistaken.
So devaputra in the Buddhist sense of an inhabitant of Tustia loka. A son or daughter of a deva.

dbang phyug.. (great lord, world creator etc, equated with Ishvara) and the happy joy joy part - dga' byed.

Ball park kinda got that right?

So to sum up, the joyful delightful son or daughter of the great lord ishvara,( or not ) born spontaneously (or not depending on understanding of karma) in the lap of a god deva in Tustia heaven.
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The Buddha you mention would be Khyeu Nangwa Tampa Samgyimikhyabpa.
Hes teaching the Dra Thalgyur,
And the audience is Bodhisattvas Nyima Rabtu Nangwa and Gaje Wangchug.

That’s the lore that I have. Trying to reconcile these things.
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Danny wrote: Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:05 am
So to sum up, the joyful delightful son or daughter of the great lord ishvara,( or not ) born spontaneously (or not depending on understanding of karma) in the lap of a god deva in Tustia heaven.
dga' byed dbang phyug is just the name of a person, in Sanskrit, Nandikeśvara, literally "the lord of Nandi the Bull," a reference, possibly, to Shiva.
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