Garchen Rinpoche Yangzab Empowerment

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Hello all,

H.E. Garchen Rinpoche is giving a yangzab empowerment called “embodiment of the precious ones” in june. I don’t think it’s on the GBI site yet, i think i saw it on facebook. Can anyone tell me anything about this empowerment?

Is it a guru rinpoche empowerment? Or for a certain practice? Any info is lovely. Thank you.
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If this is an empowerment to study and practice Dzogchen, how would someone like me get in on it? And if it is during my work hours, maybe a recording to watch afterward?
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on GBI's website already.
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"From the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle of the Yangzab Konchok Chidu." Argh. Still not clear which cycle it comes from -- if anybody is in the know, do feel free to share, please.

A related topic: where does the Kurukulle whose initiation Rinpoche will bestow (https://www.garchen.de/index.php/en/pro ... ardo2021en) in a week's time come from?

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Inedible wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 6:39 am If this is an empowerment to study and practice Dzogchen, how would someone like me get in on it? And if it is during my work hours, maybe a recording to watch afterward?
How about asking the organizers directly? I believe it is more secure that your question will be answered.
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KonchogUrgyenNyima wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 6:30 am Hello all,

H.E. Garchen Rinpoche is giving a yangzab empowerment called “embodiment of the precious ones” in june. I don’t think it’s on the GBI site yet, i think i saw it on facebook. Can anyone tell me anything about this empowerment?

Is it a guru rinpoche empowerment? Or for a certain practice? Any info is lovely. Thank you.
It is called Könchok Chidu and it isn't from the Drikung Yangzab but from the Terton Jatson Nyingpo. It is a complete Dzogchen cycle with practices for Ngondro, Guru, Yidam and Dakini and instructions on completion stage and Rushan, Trechö and Tögal.

The name in Tibetan "bka' rdzogs pa chen po yang zab dkon mchog spyi 'dus" as you can see the name includes Yangzab.

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heart wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:25 am
KonchogUrgyenNyima wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 6:30 am Hello all,

H.E. Garchen Rinpoche is giving a yangzab empowerment called “embodiment of the precious ones” in june. I don’t think it’s on the GBI site yet, i think i saw it on facebook. Can anyone tell me anything about this empowerment?

Is it a guru rinpoche empowerment? Or for a certain practice? Any info is lovely. Thank you.
It is called Könchok Chidu and it isn't from the Drikung Yangzab but from the Terton Jatson Nyingpo. It is a complete Dzogchen cycle with practices for Ngondro, Guru, Yidam and Dakini and instructions on completion stage and Rushan, Trechö and Tögal.

/magnus
And yet they say: "From the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle of the Yangzab Konchok Chidu."

So, Yangzab or Konchok Chindu?
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treehuggingoctopus wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:27 am So, Yangzab or Konchok Chindu?
It's Konchok Chidu. As Heart said above, "yang zab" is included in the long title of Jatson Nyingpo's terma. It's often called Yangzab Konchok Chidu, the "Ultra-profound embodiment of the Precious Ones." It's unrelated to Rinchen Phuntsok's Yangzab terma.
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treehuggingoctopus wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:27 am
heart wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:25 am
KonchogUrgyenNyima wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 6:30 am Hello all,

H.E. Garchen Rinpoche is giving a yangzab empowerment called “embodiment of the precious ones” in june. I don’t think it’s on the GBI site yet, i think i saw it on facebook. Can anyone tell me anything about this empowerment?

Is it a guru rinpoche empowerment? Or for a certain practice? Any info is lovely. Thank you.
It is called Könchok Chidu and it isn't from the Drikung Yangzab but from the Terton Jatson Nyingpo. It is a complete Dzogchen cycle with practices for Ngondro, Guru, Yidam and Dakini and instructions on completion stage and Rushan, Trechö and Tögal.

/magnus
And yet they say: "From the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle of the Yangzab Konchok Chidu."

So, Yangzab or Konchok Chindu?
The name in Tibetan "bka' rdzogs pa chen po yang zab dkon mchog spyi 'dus" as you can see the name includes Yangzab.

/magnus
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heart wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 9:20 am
treehuggingoctopus wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:27 am
heart wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:25 am

It is called Könchok Chidu and it isn't from the Drikung Yangzab but from the Terton Jatson Nyingpo. It is a complete Dzogchen cycle with practices for Ngondro, Guru, Yidam and Dakini and instructions on completion stage and Rushan, Trechö and Tögal.

/magnus
And yet they say: "From the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle of the Yangzab Konchok Chidu."

So, Yangzab or Konchok Chindu?
The name in Tibetan "bka' rdzogs pa chen po yang zab dkon mchog spyi 'dus" as you can see the name includes Yangzab.

/magnus
Yes I know. It would be crystal clear if they just wrote "the Yangzab Konchok Chindu." But they also talk of "the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle," and in the Drikung context that would normally mean Rinchen Phutsok's Yangzab. Hence my confusion.
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treehuggingoctopus wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 9:40 am
heart wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 9:20 am
treehuggingoctopus wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:27 am

And yet they say: "From the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle of the Yangzab Konchok Chidu."

So, Yangzab or Konchok Chindu?
The name in Tibetan "bka' rdzogs pa chen po yang zab dkon mchog spyi 'dus" as you can see the name includes Yangzab.

/magnus
Yes I know. It would be crystal clear if they just wrote "the Yangzab Konchok Chindu." But they also talk of "the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle," and in the Drikung context that would normally mean Rinchen Phutsok's Yangzab. Hence my confusion.
Perhaps people who wrote flier do not know the difference.
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Malcolm wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 11:45 am Perhaps people who wrote flier do not know the difference.
Most probable. GBI often gets these things wrong if I remember correctly.
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Malcolm wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 11:45 am
treehuggingoctopus wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 9:40 am
heart wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 9:20 am

The name in Tibetan "bka' rdzogs pa chen po yang zab dkon mchog spyi 'dus" as you can see the name includes Yangzab.

/magnus
Yes I know. It would be crystal clear if they just wrote "the Yangzab Konchok Chindu." But they also talk of "the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle," and in the Drikung context that would normally mean Rinchen Phutsok's Yangzab. Hence my confusion.
Perhaps people who wrote flier do not know the difference.
That's my hunch as well.
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treehuggingoctopus wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 9:40 am
heart wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 9:20 am
treehuggingoctopus wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:27 am

And yet they say: "From the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle of the Yangzab Konchok Chidu."

So, Yangzab or Konchok Chindu?
The name in Tibetan "bka' rdzogs pa chen po yang zab dkon mchog spyi 'dus" as you can see the name includes Yangzab.

/magnus
Yes I know. It would be crystal clear if they just wrote "the Yangzab Konchok Chindu." But they also talk of "the Yangzab Terma Dzogchen Cycle," and in the Drikung context that would normally mean Rinchen Phutsok's Yangzab. Hence my confusion.
They probably don't know themselves. But since there is no Könchok Chidu in the YangZab it makes sense that it is the "bka' rdzogs pa chen po yang zab dkon mchog spyi 'dus".

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ratna wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:47 am
treehuggingoctopus wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 8:27 am So, Yangzab or Konchok Chindu?
It's Konchok Chidu. As Heart said above, "yang zab" is included in the long title of Jatson Nyingpo's terma. It's often called Yangzab Konchok Chidu, the "Ultra-profound embodiment of the Precious Ones." It's unrelated to Rinchen Phuntsok's Yangzab terma.
heart wrote: Thu May 27, 2021 12:39 pmsince there is no Könchok Chidu in the YangZab it makes sense that it is the "bka' rdzogs pa chen po yang zab dkon mchog spyi 'dus".

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Thank you all so much for your replies. This has been super helpful. Does anyone have any detailed info on the lineage of konchog chidu?
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KonchogUrgyenNyima wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 10:02 pm Thank you all so much for your replies. This has been super helpful. Does anyone have any detailed info on the lineage of konchog chidu?
There’s always an empowerment history with HEGR empowerment’s
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KonchogUrgyenNyima wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 10:02 pm Thank you all so much for your replies. This has been super helpful. Does anyone have any detailed info on the lineage of konchog chidu?
It was revealed by Rigzin Jatson Nyingpo, who lived in the 17th century. He declared that he was the actual re-emanation (yang sprul) of Guru Rinpoche, and based on this and other things, the Konchog Chidu was probably the most widely practiced cycle of Guru RInpoche practice until Jigme Lingpa's time. It is still the main practice of Dzogchen monastery. Moreover, it gained prominence at Kathok Monastery, whose lineage holders, from Rigzin Duddul Dorje on down, held it as their main practice.
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Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 8:04 pm
KonchogUrgyenNyima wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 10:02 pm Thank you all so much for your replies. This has been super helpful. Does anyone have any detailed info on the lineage of konchog chidu?
There’s always an empowerment history with HEGR empowerment’s
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Malcolm wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 9:12 pm
KonchogUrgyenNyima wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 10:02 pm Thank you all so much for your replies. This has been super helpful. Does anyone have any detailed info on the lineage of konchog chidu?
It was revealed by Rigzin Jatson Nyingpo, who lived in the 17th century. He declared that he was the actual re-emanation (yang sprul) of Guru Rinpoche, and based on this and other things, the Konchog Chidu was probably the most widely practiced cycle of Guru RInpoche practice until Jigme Lingpa's time. It is still the main practice of Dzogchen monastery. Moreover, it gained prominence at Kathok Monastery, whose lineage holders, from Rigzin Duddul Dorje on down, held it as their main practice.
Wow thank you, this was really helpful. I hope Rinpoche gives the whole three roots practice.

I know someone who has declared themselves the reincarnation of Guru Rinpoche. Interesting thing. I found it hard to believe haha. Rigdzin Jatson Nyingpo must have been an amazing person.
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