Garchen Rinpoche Yangzab Empowerment

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Here is the link to the Empowerment https://drikungseattle.org/events/ for everyone waiting.
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is this a mahayoga or atiyoga empowerment?
also is this a rigpa tsal wang?
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lucidaromulus wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:21 pm is this a mahayoga or atiyoga empowerment?
also is this a rigpa tsal wang?
It is anuyoga, and can include the rig pa rtsal wang, at the lama’s discretion.

The main sadhana itself can be practiced as either a mahayoga or an anuyoga practice, and the root text contains instructions for maha, anu, and ati yoga.
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Malcolm wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:56 pm
lucidaromulus wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:21 pm is this a mahayoga or atiyoga empowerment?
also is this a rigpa tsal wang?
It is anuyoga, and can include the rig pa rtsal wang, at the lama’s discretion.
That's the 4th one after the Mind empowerment right? Until now I still don't know if there's a formal "official" format a rig pai tsal wang should look like or does literally any pointing out count as one
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Passing By wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:19 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:56 pm
lucidaromulus wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:21 pm is this a mahayoga or atiyoga empowerment?
also is this a rigpa tsal wang?
It is anuyoga, and can include the rig pa rtsal wang, at the lama’s discretion.
That's the 4th one after the Mind empowerment right? Until now I still don't know if there's a formal "official" format a rig pai tsal wang should look like or does literally any pointing out count as one
Not in this particular empowerment, in this one it’s the fifth empowerment.
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Thank you Malcolm!

Anybody knows if the empowerment given by Garchen Rinpoche will be for Guru, Yidam and Dakini or just the Guru part?
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lucidaromulus wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:05 pm Thank you Malcolm!

Anybody knows if the empowerment given by Garchen Rinpoche will be for Guru, Yidam and Dakini or just the Guru part?
Kagyu lamas sometimes give just the guru part.

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heart wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:56 pm
lucidaromulus wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:05 pm Thank you Malcolm!

Anybody knows if the empowerment given by Garchen Rinpoche will be for Guru, Yidam and Dakini or just the Guru part?
Kagyu lamas sometimes give just the guru part.

/magnus
The main empowerment always includes the yidam and dakini, since in the Konchog Chidu, the three roots are the outer guru, the inner guru, and the secret guru.
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Malcolm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:04 pm
heart wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:56 pm
lucidaromulus wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:05 pm Thank you Malcolm!

Anybody knows if the empowerment given by Garchen Rinpoche will be for Guru, Yidam and Dakini or just the Guru part?
Kagyu lamas sometimes give just the guru part.

/magnus
The main empowerment always includes the yidam and dakini, since in the Konchog Chidu, the three roots are the outer guru, the inner guru, and the secret guru.
Can there be other empowerment manuals? I don't read Tibetan so I can't check. For example, a friend insisted that there was separate empowerment for each deity. Also there is this sadhana with only the peaceful Guru, from a Kagyu lama.

Both Taklung Tsetrul Rinpoche and Tulku Dakpa gave it the way you mention above.

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heart wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:14 pm
Malcolm wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:04 pm
heart wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:56 pm

Kagyu lamas sometimes give just the guru part.

/magnus
The main empowerment always includes the yidam and dakini, since in the Konchog Chidu, the three roots are the outer guru, the inner guru, and the secret guru.
Can there be other empowerment manuals? I don't read Tibetan so I can't check. For example, a friend insisted that there was separate empowerment for each deity. Also there is this sadhana with only the peaceful Guru, from a Kagyu lama.

Both Taklung Tsetrul Rinpoche and Tulku Dakpa gave it the way you mention above.

/magnus
Karma Chakme wrote independent manuals for Drakpo and Simhamukha, but in the root texts, there is only one empowerment which covers the peaceful guru, the wrathful guru, and the guru as dakini.
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Thank you again Malcolm. Learnt alot by reading your replies :namaste:
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Malcolm,
That’s interesting about Karma Chagme. Is that the source of the initiations used in the Kamtsang tradition here? I’ve always been familiar with the empowerments being individual short initiations for peaceful guru, long life guru, guru drakpo and simhamukha. I had no idea there was a full three roots empowerment. Presumably a torwang?
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namoh wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:33 pm Malcolm,
That’s interesting about Karma Chagme. Is that the source of the initiations used in the Kamtsang tradition here? I’ve always been familiar with the empowerments being individual short initiations for peaceful guru, long life guru, guru drakpo and simhamukha. I had no idea there was a full three roots empowerment. Presumably a torwang?
Taklung tsetrul rinpoche gave us a full two day empowerment, so that is a wangchen.

/magnus
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Wow! Very interesting, thank you.
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heart wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:50 am
namoh wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:33 pm Malcolm,
That’s interesting about Karma Chagme. Is that the source of the initiations used in the Kamtsang tradition here? I’ve always been familiar with the empowerments being individual short initiations for peaceful guru, long life guru, guru drakpo and simhamukha. I had no idea there was a full three roots empowerment. Presumably a torwang?
Taklung tsetrul rinpoche gave us a full two day empowerment, so that is a wangchen.

/magnus
I apologize for going off topic, but what is the difference between wangchen and wangkur? Or are they the same thing?
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tony_montana wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:56 am
heart wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:50 am
namoh wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:33 pm Malcolm,
That’s interesting about Karma Chagme. Is that the source of the initiations used in the Kamtsang tradition here? I’ve always been familiar with the empowerments being individual short initiations for peaceful guru, long life guru, guru drakpo and simhamukha. I had no idea there was a full three roots empowerment. Presumably a torwang?
Taklung tsetrul rinpoche gave us a full two day empowerment, so that is a wangchen.

/magnus
I apologize for going off topic, but what is the difference between wangchen and wangkur? Or are they the same thing?
The same thing.
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As someone who has received empowerments from HEGR before I am interested in attending. I wonder if the sadhana will be translated or if its available somewhere so that I can practice it afterwards though.
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Javierfv1212 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:40 pm As someone who has received empowerments from HEGR before I am interested in attending. I wonder if the sadhana will be translated or if its available somewhere so that I can practice it afterwards though.
The sadhana for the Konchog Chidu has been translated many times.
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Malcolm wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:43 pm
Javierfv1212 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:40 pm As someone who has received empowerments from HEGR before I am interested in attending. I wonder if the sadhana will be translated or if its available somewhere so that I can practice it afterwards though.
The sadhana for the Konchog Chidu has been translated many times.
Is this it?

https://namobuddhapub.org/files/practic ... ebsite.pdf
It is quite impossible to find the Buddha anywhere other than in one's own mind.
A person who is ignorant of this may seek externally,
but how is it possible to find oneself through seeking anywhere other than in oneself?
Someone who seeks their own nature externally is like a fool who, giving a performance in the middle of a crowd, forgets who he is and then seeks everywhere else to find himself.
— Padmasambhava

Visit my site: https://sites.google.com/view/abhayajana/
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Javierfv1212 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:53 pm
Malcolm wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:43 pm
Javierfv1212 wrote: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:40 pm As someone who has received empowerments from HEGR before I am interested in attending. I wonder if the sadhana will be translated or if its available somewhere so that I can practice it afterwards though.
The sadhana for the Konchog Chidu has been translated many times.
Is this it?

https://namobuddhapub.org/files/practic ... ebsite.pdf
Yes.
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