Failing to discover the nature of ones mind in this lifetime.

[coldbeer]

No problem. I think HH Jigme Phuntsok Rinpoche a completely realized master also went to Dewachen. Many great masters go to pure lands, or rather in their case manifest there. I myself also practice in such a way so I can get reborn in Dewachen, time is limited and sometimes it is not easy to gain some realization.

What is the reason to go there if one has already become realized in this lifetime?

To visit? Club Med for Buddhas?

Ah ok.

[Malcolm]

What is the reason to go there if one has already become realized in this lifetime?

To visit? Club Med for Buddhas?

Ah ok.

Buddhas only see pure buddha fields. Buddhas have no impure vision, they only have pure vision.

[Jangchup Donden]

To visit? Club Med for Buddhas?

Ah ok.

Buddhas only see pure buddha fields. Buddhas have no impure vision, they only have pure vision.

Wouldn't that contradict their omniscience, as they should be able to see what ordinary being see as well?

[Malcolm]

Ah ok.

Buddhas only see pure buddha fields. Buddhas have no impure vision, they only have pure vision.

Wouldn't that contradict their omniscience, as they should be able to see what ordinary being see as well?

Buddhas have no impure vision. This does not affect their two-fold omniscience. They know that pretas see pus and blood, etc. But they do not themselves experience any impure phenomena, even in hell.

[PeterC]

Ah ok.

Buddhas only see pure buddha fields. Buddhas have no impure vision, they only have pure vision.

Wouldn't that contradict their omniscience, as they should be able to see what ordinary being see as well?

They're omniscient with respect to knowing how to liberate beings, not omniscient in the sense of knowing everything knowable.

[Sādhaka]

They're omniscient with respect to knowing how to liberate beings, not omniscient in the sense of knowing everything knowable.

Well I remember Malcolm mentioning the quip Dharmakirti made about a Buddha not knowing how many maggots are in the ground in every moment, or something similar; so I searched and found:

You do not understand the context of what omniscience means.

It means "not seeing the characteristics of phenomena". Since that is perceived with respect to all phenomena, a Buddha is omniscient. It does mean, as Dharmakiriti famously quipped, that a Buddha knows the number of maggots in the ground.

It means that they know the nature of all phenomena and all the details of all paths to become buddhas.

The omniscience of the Buddha does not mean he knew everything about the world, such as the number of maggots it contains. It means he understood everything relative to the paths of awakening of śrāvakas, pratyekabuddhas, and bodhisattvas.

The omniscience of the Buddha does not mean he knew everything about the world, such as the number of maggots it contains.

Could he if he turned his mind to it?

In general, yes.

Yes, this simply means that a Buddha does not need to enter into an equipoise of dhyāna in order to perceive a knowable. It does not mean he knows everything all the time. It means he can know any thing at any time.

[GrapeLover]

Buddhas only see pure buddha fields. Buddhas have no impure vision, they only have pure vision.

Wouldn't that contradict their omniscience, as they should be able to see what ordinary being see as well?

Buddhas have no impure vision. This does not affect their two-fold omniscience. They know that pretas see pus and blood, etc. But they do not themselves experience any impure phenomena, even in hell.

Sorry—genuinely curious and not trying to debate or be awkward !!

Does this imply that even wrathful pure lands aren’t perceived as they’re described to us? Or, in this context, is there a difference between wrathful ‘manifestations’ of enlightenment and impure karmic phenomena?

Would even pleasant karmic phenomena count as impure perception in this context? Eg in pure perception a hell wouldn’t be hellish, but even a heaven wouldn’t be like how devas perceive a heaven?

[Malcolm]

Does this imply that even wrathful pure lands aren’t perceived as they’re described to us? Or, in this context, is there a difference between wrathful ‘manifestations’ of enlightenment and impure karmic phenomena?

Would even pleasant karmic phenomena count as impure perception in this context? Eg in pure perception a hell wouldn’t be hellish, but even a heaven wouldn’t be like how devas perceive a heaven?

Peaceful and wrathful is from the point of view of those to be tamed.

Buddhas have no experience of impure phenomena of any kind. They perceive all sentient beings as buddhas, etc.

[GrapeLover]

Does this imply that even wrathful pure lands aren’t perceived as they’re described to us? Or, in this context, is there a difference between wrathful ‘manifestations’ of enlightenment and impure karmic phenomena?

Would even pleasant karmic phenomena count as impure perception in this context? Eg in pure perception a hell wouldn’t be hellish, but even a heaven wouldn’t be like how devas perceive a heaven?

Peaceful and wrathful is from the point of view of those to be tamed.

Buddhas have no experience of impure phenomena of any kind. They perceive all sentient beings as buddhas, etc.

Thank you

[AppearanceVoid]

The Vajra Guru mantra: Om Ah Hum Vajra Guru Padma Siddhi Hum. Padmasambhava said he would appear in dreams; meet you in this life depending on your cultivation. He did say, "Even the least of these shall see me in their dreams."

The 7 line prayer:
Hum! In the land North West of Oddiyana
In the heart of a lotus
Endowed with the most marvelous attainments
You are renowned as the Lotus Born
Surrounded by a host of Dakini
Following at your footsteps
I pray to you: Come, inspire me with your blessings

Yeshe Tsogyal is reported to appear in dreams and visions if you chant her mantra: Om Ah Hum Vajra Guru Jnana Sagara Bam Ha Ri Ni Sa Siddhi Hum.

Anyway, you'll get it with some dedication, openness and, devotion. Dakini!!

[WeiHan]

Realised masters still go to purelands like Dewachen to receive prophesies of their time to manifest supreme nirmanakaya form to benefit sentient beings.