Equivalent to thogal

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Malcolm
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Re: Equivalent to thogal

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fckw wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:24 pm
Malcolm wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:16 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:21 pm

This is wrong. The deities are Dzogchen.
So the state of dzogchen has faces and hands? Really?
So, it's a state then?
Nominally speaking, and there is a path to discover that state. But if one thinks there are faces and hand in that state, that the shitro for example, is innate, one's view has not transcended mahāyoga, or so it is written by Longchenpa and others.
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Re: Equivalent to thogal

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Malcolm wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:38 pm
fckw wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:24 pm
Malcolm wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:16 pm

So the state of dzogchen has faces and hands? Really?
So, it's a state then?
Nominally speaking, and there is a path to discover that state. But if one thinks there are faces and hand in that state, that the shitro for example, is innate, one's view has not transcended mahāyoga, or so it is written by Longchenpa and others.
If you accept and reject it's mara. Conditioning folks to a specific practice is a mara as well. The Shitro are an experience of the bardo.But they are not separate from dzogchen.
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Malcolm
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Re: Equivalent to thogal

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Crazywisdom wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:42 pm If you accept and reject it's mara.
I see you accepting and rejecting a lot of things in this thread, so?
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Re: Equivalent to thogal

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Malcolm wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:58 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:42 pm If you accept and reject it's mara.
I see you accepting and rejecting a lot of things in this thread, so?
Like what? Reject hamburgers with mayonnaise and no ketchup or mustard.
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