Dzogchen in Germany

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Can anyone recommend trustworthy Dzogchen related teachers or sanghas in Germany?

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Karma_Yeshe wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:59 pm https://yeshekhorlo.de/
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they translate Dzogchen as "Große Vollendung"
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lelopa wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:26 am
Karma_Yeshe wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:59 pm https://yeshekhorlo.de/
:shock:
they translate Dzogchen as "Große Vollendung"
If I avoid using any preference of my own (which I don't really have), and pretend I have no background in Buddhism, a plain translation of that into English would be "great completion". That may not be your favourite, but it's reasonably common. Do you see a problem with it?
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Lingpupa wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:39 am
lelopa wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:26 am
Karma_Yeshe wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:59 pm https://yeshekhorlo.de/
:shock:
they translate Dzogchen as "Große Vollendung"
If I avoid using any preference of my own (which I don't really have), and pretend I have no background in Buddhism, a plain translation of that into English would be "great completion". That may not be your favourite, but it's reasonably common. Do you see a problem with it?
[Maybe problem is not the right word]

What is the Small Completion then?!?
Sometimes in higher teachings chenpo (maha) is better translated as total - and there is nothing to complete it is perfect right from the beginning.
So "Total Completeness" seems a better hint - or "Absolute Completeness"
in german: "Totale Vollkommenheit"

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I think it comes from translating "Dzogrim" as "Vollendungsstufe" and Kyerim as "Erzeugungsstufe". So "Dzog" is translated as "Vollendung", thus Dzogchen (Santi Maha) is translated as "Grosse Vollendung". Since "Maha" means "great", I think "Grosse Vollendung" is not that bad.
"Totale Vollkommenheit" could be critisised as leading to an understanding of "oneness" because of using "totale". I therefore prefer "grosse" over "totale". But this is really not that important. Important is that Gangteng Tulku is an authentic master who is transmitting Dzogchen teachings.

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Thanks a lot for the great tips! Gomde was already on my list. And I even attend a program Gagngten Tulku many years a ago, but i didn't have much undestanding about Tibetan Buddhism then. Great to see that his Sangha is this active in Germany.

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lelopa wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:53 am What is the Small Completion then?!?
Dzogchung. Obvs. :tongue:
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Karma_Yeshe wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:47 am
...........

P.S.: It is really a shame that there is no serious troll-free Board where it is possible to discuss such matters in german.
Oh yes!
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Lingpupa wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:41 am
lelopa wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:53 am What is the Small Completion then?!?
Dzogchung. Obvs. :tongue:
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Karma_Yeshe wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:47 am ...

P.S.: It is really a shame that there is no serious troll-free Board where it is possible to discuss such matters in german.
The Tibetan-Buddhists-only group on Buddhaland.de is troll-free. But it isn't public either.

To me it seems, Germans just don't have that much Dzogchen human resources like e.g. Americans.
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Ayu wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:48 pm
Karma_Yeshe wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:47 am ...

P.S.: It is really a shame that there is no serious troll-free Board where it is possible to discuss such matters in german.
The Tibetan-Buddhists-only group on Buddhaland.de is troll-free. But it isn't public either.

To me it seems, Germans just don't have that much Dzogchen human resources like e.g. Americans.
The answers you could get in the tibetan forum in buddhaland are 80% odd, weird & strange
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lelopa wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:47 pm
Ayu wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:48 pm
Karma_Yeshe wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:47 am ...

P.S.: It is really a shame that there is no serious troll-free Board where it is possible to discuss such matters in german.
The Tibetan-Buddhists-only group on Buddhaland.de is troll-free. But it isn't public either.

To me it seems, Germans just don't have that much Dzogchen human resources like e.g. Americans.
The answers you could get in the tibetan forum in buddhaland are 80% odd, weird & strange
This was the case for long years. But some time ago the moderation changed, other people and one Tibetan buddhist as moderator who managed to structure the dos and don'ts. He keeps the place clean now.
But more conversation takes place in the "geschlossene Gruppe für tibetisch Praktizierende" there. Anyhow there are only very few Dzogchen connoisseurs.
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Ayu wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:29 pm
lelopa wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:47 pm
Ayu wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:48 pm
The Tibetan-Buddhists-only group on Buddhaland.de is troll-free. But it isn't public either.

To me it seems, Germans just don't have that much Dzogchen human resources like e.g. Americans.
The answers you could get in the tibetan forum in buddhaland are 80% odd, weird & strange
This was the case for long years. But some time ago the moderation changed, other people and one Tibetan buddhist as moderator who managed to structure the dos and don'ts. He keeps the place clean now.
But more conversation takes place in the "geschlossene Gruppe für tibetisch Praktizierende" there. Anyhow there are only very few Dzogchen connoisseurs.

Ok,
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I don't know the recent closed group, but once in a year I take a look what's new since they banned the worst users -
but can't find much "lions roar"
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Hey.

James Low (simplybeing.co.uk) is not Germany based, but he usually visits at least 4 or 5 times a year (or used to - pre-corona), p.e. in Freiburg, Berlin, Frankfurt, Kamalashila (Eifel) and is highly recommended.

He gives free zoom sessions every now and then - some with german translation. Check out his website. There are some loose practice groups as far as I know (Berlin, Cologne).

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