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So CNNR has said that "...but through this integration of the nature of mind and the nature of existence (semnyid and Chonyid), the light body manifests"
So how and why does this work?
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
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Fa Dao wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:30 am So CNNR has said that "...but through this integration of the nature of mind and the nature of existence (semnyid and Chonyid), the light body manifests"
So how and why does this work?
You need to receive more complete teachings on dzogchen to understand this point. It should not really be discussed on a forum in public.
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Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:36 pm
Fa Dao wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:30 am So CNNR has said that "...but through this integration of the nature of mind and the nature of existence (semnyid and Chonyid), the light body manifests"
So how and why does this work?
You need to receive more complete teachings on dzogchen to understand this point. It should not really be discussed on a forum in public.
oh ok..so the Longde teachings from Rinpoche aren't complete enough? You said in another post that they were complete..but hey, if its one of those things that is not to be discussed at all then cool..no prob
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
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Fa Dao wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:03 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:36 pm
Fa Dao wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:30 am So CNNR has said that "...but through this integration of the nature of mind and the nature of existence (semnyid and Chonyid), the light body manifests"
So how and why does this work?
You need to receive more complete teachings on dzogchen to understand this point. It should not really be discussed on a forum in public.
oh ok..so the Longde teachings from Rinpoche aren't complete enough? You said in another post that they were complete..but hey, if its one of those things that is not to be discussed at all then cool..no prob
Longde is a complete method, that does not mean it is a complete explanation. The explanation you are looking for is in Upadesha level tantras, in thogal. Longde is a bridge between semsde and managde.
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Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:26 pm
Fa Dao wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:03 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:36 pm

You need to receive more complete teachings on dzogchen to understand this point. It should not really be discussed on a forum in public.
oh ok..so the Longde teachings from Rinpoche aren't complete enough? You said in another post that they were complete..but hey, if its one of those things that is not to be discussed at all then cool..no prob
Longde is a complete method, that does not mean it is a complete explanation. The explanation you are looking for is in Upadesha level tantras, in thogal. Longde is a bridge between semsde and managde.
ahhh...ok..thank you...sorry..I still dont know what can be asked/talked about and what cant..my Teacher is gone...there is, as far as I know, no one else out there that teaches Longde the way he did...He also said that Longde was a bridge to rainbow body...
Is it possible that with continued practice many of the answers will become known through practice? or is that just wishful thinking?
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
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Fa dao,
I have seen you ask this question, or a version of this question, several times. Have you ever asked a Dzogchen teacher for help? For sure in many ways ChNNR was unique and it is true that he is the only master I ever heard off teaching Longde in public. However, that doesn't exactly mean that he is the only one that could help you with your practice. It might be a great trip searching out Dzogchen masters and ask for interviews and explain your situation and see what happened, it certainly wouldn't be a waste of time.

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Yup, there are for sure at least few teachers who would be more than willing to answer your questions. Some teachers are even students of Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, for example Tulku Dakpa Rinpoche.
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Fa Dao wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:00 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:26 pm
Fa Dao wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:03 pm

oh ok..so the Longde teachings from Rinpoche aren't complete enough? You said in another post that they were complete..but hey, if its one of those things that is not to be discussed at all then cool..no prob
Longde is a complete method, that does not mean it is a complete explanation. The explanation you are looking for is in Upadesha level tantras, in thogal. Longde is a bridge between semsde and managde.
ahhh...ok..thank you...sorry..I still dont know what can be asked/talked about and what cant..my Teacher is gone...there is, as far as I know, no one else out there that teaches Longde the way he did...He also said that Longde was a bridge to rainbow body...
Is it possible that with continued practice many of the answers will become known through practice? or is that just wishful thinking?
Yes, because Longde is a bridge to thogal.

Wishful thinking. You live near a very qualified Dzogchen master, Tulku Sangngak. I suggest you seek teachings from him.
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Fa Dao,

Remember the words of ChNN: We are living in time, and time is passing.

Like so many here have suggested, please do seek out qualified teachers to get help from. And, if it is the case that you live near Tulku Sangngak Rinpoche, what are you even waiting for?
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ok guys..I hear you..thanks
"But if you know how to observe yourself, you will discover your real nature, the primordial state, the state of Guruyoga, and then all will become clear because you will have discovered everything"-Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
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Fa Dao wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:21 am ok guys..I hear you..thanks
He will insist you do a ngondro.
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Malcolm wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:12 am
Fa Dao wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:21 am ok guys..I hear you..thanks
He will insist you do a ngondro.
I know..thats one of the reasons why I haven't gone there before...I have met many Teachers in the past almost 40 years...Norbu is the one that always made sense to me...the way he taught I just got it...ya know what I mean?
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and I should add that I am just too damn old, tired, and brain damaged to start off from square one....btw, I wasnt asking about actual techniques/practices, I was just trying to wrap my head around the process, the theoretical side...oh well
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Fa Dao wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:39 am and I should add that I am just too damn old, tired, and brain damaged to start off from square one....btw, I wasnt asking about actual techniques/practices, I was just trying to wrap my head around the process, the theoretical side...oh well
But ngöndro is not a square one. I mean it can be pretty discouraging when one is older, but it really helped me and many other people around me. Some of them are even students who consider ChNN to be their primary teacher and even they feel that ngöndro helped them gain the qualities to go deeper. But ofcourse, this depends on you.
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I have never really heard teachers talk openly about topics such as the question asked even to advanced students. The common pattern seems to be: teacher visits place XYZ for a retreat. There gives empowerment, direct introduction, a text is being explained. In astonishingly few cases the teacher also gives you concrete meditation instructions including an explanation of the expected effects. If you are lucky, you get a 10 minutes interview slot in a 2 week retreat with the teacher. After 2 weeks the teacher travels further.

So: Unless you are doing a 3 years retreat or similar, or unless you are able to read old Tibetan, getting answers to questions such as the one above is not really offered by anyone.

Now, maybe that's even a good thing, I don't want to judge it. There are good reasons why certain things are rarely openly discussed. But telling others to "go and seek a good teacher" is, in my view, more or less same as telling people off. Name me one teacher who, when a foreign person shows up and asks about details of menngagde teachings, will openly explain things to that person. Why should s/he? The person could be mad, could want to publish stuff on the internet etc. You don't know him/her, so rather be careful. This means: No, "go ask a teacher" will not get you any further in most cases. And not everyone has the energy or the money left to travel to exotic places to find another teacher to ask.
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That's the self liberation glass ceiling I guess.
Traditionly HYT was never given in large groups, but very intimate setting. Dzogchen was even more intimate. So in many ways we've been very fortunate. An embarrassment of riches.

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The great thing about the information your seeking, is its actually coded in the teachings, and you've got to know what the poetic language looks like and understand the terms.
For example I was reading an old book on my shelf during lockdown, gave me the chance to look and read somethings I had not had chance to do so, and was a passage in it that blew my mind, totally thogal instructions. So don't lose heart.

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Danny wrote: Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:07 am That's the self liberation glass ceiling I guess.
Traditionly HYT was never given in large groups, but very intimate setting. Dzogchen was even more intimate. So in many ways we've been very fortunate. An embarrassment of riches.

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So, has Dzogchen always been elitist? Only accessible by a small minority? And, even if it was, should it stay that way?

Assuming, Dzogchen teachings would be available openly to everyone. Would this cause more harm or more benefit to everyone?
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