Sigh... Have you even been following our conversation? The ... meant that I have yet to see ordinary person who practice the Great Perfection eradicating the coarse aspect of the two obscurations even while they have not realized the direct realization of emptiness. Regardless of what is said in the text you quoted.Malcolm wrote:What an extremely strange thing to say. You think only realized people can practice Dzogchen teachings? If this were true, it would defeat the whole purpose of Dzogchen teachings. But it is definitely a common opinion among those who really have no understanding of Dzogchen, both Tibetans and Westerners.
Actually, quite clearly: the two obscurations abide, dude.
Maybe I am just not looking hard enough, or in the right spot?