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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:02 pm
avisitor wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:41 pm
The emptiness of phenomena means nothing is self arising.

Cool words. So nothing in this world is self arising??
So does that mean mind does not arising from itself??
Awareness is originally all pervading, like the sky.
Maybe you are talking about consciousness that arises conditionally, like clouds appearing in the sky.
Also, if everything is constantly changing then how is it determined how long it takes for something to change??
That’s a mistake you are making: saying that phenomena freeze in place for a second, becoming that “thing” and then changing again.
Phenomena never establishes itself for even a second. It’s all change, all the time, like a waterfall always pouring over the side of a cliff.
Everything is either awareness, or an object or awareness. All perceivable experiences, events, conditions, objects, are objects of awareness. What is aware of those is awareness.
Realizing What is regarded as “original mind” or “unborn mind” is precisely the point of Buddhist practice. That original awareness neither arises nor fades away. It is merely obscured by our distractions resulting from attachment.
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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:12 pm
PadmaVonSamba wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:02 pm
avisitor wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:41 pm
The emptiness of phenomena means nothing is self arising.

Cool words. So nothing in this world is self arising??
So does that mean mind does not arising from itself??
Awareness is originally all pervading, like the sky.
Maybe you are talking about consciousness that arises conditionally, like clouds appearing in the sky.
Also, if everything is constantly changing then how is it determined how long it takes for something to change??
That’s a mistake you are making: saying that phenomena freeze in place for a second, becoming that “thing” and then changing again.
Phenomena never establishes itself for even a second. It’s all change, all the time, like a waterfall always pouring over the side of a cliff.
Everything is either awareness, or an object or awareness. All perceivable experiences, events, conditions, objects, are objects of awareness. What is aware of those is awareness.
Realizing What is regarded as “original mind” or “unborn mind” is precisely the point of Buddhist practice. That original awareness neither arises nor fades away. It is merely obscured by our distractions resulting from attachment.
Potentially yes but might take a long time...1) Consciousness behaves as wisdom rather than self and ignorance 2) At the point of Great Samadhi consciousness is not even present. Not even subtle trace of it. Only Maha prajna. No cricket no cicada no centipede is even there to be heard.
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LastLegend wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:46 pm 1) Consciousness behaves as wisdom rather than self and ignorance 2) At the point of Great Samadhi consciousness is not even present.
Then great samadhi, mahasamadhi, is not the highest state of consciousness? Is not parinirvana actually the absence of all five skandhas (i.e., including the skandha 'consciousness')?
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reiun wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:33 pm
LastLegend wrote: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:46 pm 1) Consciousness behaves as wisdom rather than self and ignorance 2) At the point of Great Samadhi consciousness is not even present.
Then great samadhi, mahasamadhi, is not the highest state of consciousness? Is not parinirvana actually the absence of all five skandhas (i.e., including the skandha 'consciousness')?
I am not good with even basic Sanskrit terms. It appears to be so. However, for the state of consciousness to operate in daily life without being slightly deluded, Chan maintains consciousness has to be transcended for once known as Great Death. When sitting in Samadhi skandhas are absent. While in daily life, skandhas are present though not deluded.
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Mind (as in Nature) has no appearance. Once upon a time, I thought the five skandhas including consciousness are not appearance. However, they are appearance and appearance arises. No mind means no arising appearance. But when no appearance arises, it’s not that we artificially create such because when no appearance arises what’s left is Maha prajna or Nature. Always has been. What arises is known as ‘exist.’ What arises is known as ‘born.’ Unborn is Nature.
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