Seeking feedback/review: Pure Land Buddhism from a Tibetan Buddhist perspective

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Seeking feedback/review: Pure Land Buddhism from a Tibetan Buddhist perspective

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Hi all,

So Bob Thurman and Andrew Holecek did a course a while back about Pure Land Buddhism in the Tibetan tradition, as well as the East Asian Traditin entitled "Death & the Art of Dying:The Pure Lands Introduction".

Link: https://thusmenla.org/p/pure-lands-introduction-archive

Does anyone have any information regarding this course? Price = 108$ for recordings from three (3) days and some study material. Seems pretty steep. Thinking whether it's worth it or not.

Thanks in advance,
Brunelleschi
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Brunelleschi wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:52 am Hi all,

So Bob Thurman and Andrew Holecek did a course a while back about Pure Land Buddhism in the Tibetan tradition, as well as the East Asian Traditin entitled "Death & the Art of Dying:The Pure Lands Introduction".

Link: https://thusmenla.org/p/pure-lands-introduction-archive

Does anyone have any information regarding this course? Price = 108$ for recordings from three (3) days and some study material. Seems pretty steep. Thinking whether it's worth it or not.

Thanks in advance,
Brunelleschi
You are better off buying the Halkias book on Pure land practice in Tibet.
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Malcolm wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:36 am
Brunelleschi wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:52 am Hi all,

So Bob Thurman and Andrew Holecek did a course a while back about Pure Land Buddhism in the Tibetan tradition, as well as the East Asian Traditin entitled "Death & the Art of Dying:The Pure Lands Introduction".

Link: https://thusmenla.org/p/pure-lands-introduction-archive

Does anyone have any information regarding this course? Price = 108$ for recordings from three (3) days and some study material. Seems pretty steep. Thinking whether it's worth it or not.

Thanks in advance,
Brunelleschi
You are better off buying the Halkias book on Pure land practice in Tibet.
Thanks Malcolm, I'll look into it.
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The whole of Pure Land Buddhism is based on Amitabha’s 48 Vows.
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Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:03 pm The whole of Pure Land Buddhism is based on Amitabha’s 48 Vows.
There is no "pure land" Buddhism per se, in Tibetan Buddhism, in the sense one observes it in Sino-Japanese Buddhism. That does not mean that birth in pure buddhafields is of no concern in Tibetan Buddhism, but this is handled with aspirations and phowa.

One does not read Tibetan masters making sustained arguments about the meaning of the 48 vows and so on. The Halkias book is pretty comprehensive.
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The 48 Vows are vital at the Common Mahayana Pure Land level. Practices like Phowa on Vajrayana isn’t included so I suppose the 48 Vows isn’t the same in terms of importance from that perspective.

Thanks Malcolm :namaste:
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Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:20 pm Practices like Phowa on Vajrayana isn’t included so I suppose the 48 Vows isn’t the same in terms of importance from that perspective.
Additionally there are dharanis that guarantee rebirth in Sukhavati, even if one has committed the five acts of immediate retribution etc.
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Losal Samten wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:46 pm
Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:20 pm Practices like Phowa on Vajrayana isn’t included so I suppose the 48 Vows isn’t the same in terms of importance from that perspective.
Additionally there are dharanis that guarantee rebirth in Sukhavati, even if one has committed the five acts of immediate retribution etc.
Yes that’s right

Amitabha has strong connections 🙏🙏🙏
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Konchog Thogme Jampa wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:20 pm The 48 Vows are vital at the Common Mahayana Pure Land level. Practices like Phowa on Vajrayana isn’t included so I suppose the 48 Vows isn’t the same in terms of importance from that perspective.

Thanks Malcolm :namaste:
Charles B Jones, in his book Pure Land: History, Traditions, and Practices, argues pretty convincingly that what is understood as Pure Land Buddhism never existed anywhere other than the Sino-Japanese tradition.
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That’s interesting

Thanks Malcolm :namaste:
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