Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
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Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
Wondering what your guys experience is with doing ngondro accumulations:
In sequence required? (teacher says you have to do 100,000 of first section, then 100,000 of second, etc. one by one)
All at once required? (teacher says you have to accumulate all at once)
Flexible (teacher says you can accumulate however you want)
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In sequence required? (teacher says you have to do 100,000 of first section, then 100,000 of second, etc. one by one)
All at once required? (teacher says you have to accumulate all at once)
Flexible (teacher says you can accumulate however you want)
KN
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
In sequence is the normal, in the Nyingma you always do the whole text every time you accumulate but just a few recitations of the sections that you don't accumulate.karmanyingpo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:02 pm Wondering what your guys experience is with doing ngondro accumulations:
In sequence required? (teacher says you have to do 100,000 of first section, then 100,000 of second, etc. one by one)
All at once required? (teacher says you have to accumulate all at once)
Flexible (teacher says you can accumulate however you want)
KN
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
Yes this is what I have gathered! Thx for clarificationheart wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:55 pmIn sequence is the normal, in the Nyingma you always do the whole text every time you accumulate but just a few recitations of the sections that you don't accumulate.karmanyingpo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:02 pm Wondering what your guys experience is with doing ngondro accumulations:
In sequence required? (teacher says you have to do 100,000 of first section, then 100,000 of second, etc. one by one)
All at once required? (teacher says you have to accumulate all at once)
Flexible (teacher says you can accumulate however you want)
KN
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
The first ngondro I did was according to time. So I did all the parts every session, just fewer recitations.
Second ngondro was by numbers. I was instructed to do the Guru Rinpoche guru yoga first. Then to do the rest of the sections in order. I was given extra Vajrasattva to offset a physical problem that made prostrations harder.
Second ngondro was by numbers. I was instructed to do the Guru Rinpoche guru yoga first. Then to do the rest of the sections in order. I was given extra Vajrasattva to offset a physical problem that made prostrations harder.
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
When you say by time, does that mean you practiced a certain set amount of time every day? Or that your teacher asked you to practice ngondro daily for a certain set length of time?Cinnabar wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:25 pm The first ngondro I did was according to time. So I did all the parts every session, just fewer recitations.
Second ngondro was by numbers. I was instructed to do the Guru Rinpoche guru yoga first. Then to do the rest of the sections in order. I was given extra Vajrasattva to offset a physical problem that made prostrations harder.
Thx for input
KN
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
It means it was our main and only practice for a period of time.karmanyingpo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:45 pmWhen you say by time, does that mean you practiced a certain set amount of time every day? Or that your teacher asked you to practice ngondro daily for a certain set length of time?Cinnabar wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:25 pm The first ngondro I did was according to time. So I did all the parts every session, just fewer recitations.
Second ngondro was by numbers. I was instructed to do the Guru Rinpoche guru yoga first. Then to do the rest of the sections in order. I was given extra Vajrasattva to offset a physical problem that made prostrations harder.
Thx for input
KN
Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
My first was Kagyu, which was strictly 1 bum of the first, then 1 bum of the second etc., though with one exception that was for a specific reason - it really was an exception.
My experience in Nyingma has generally been all at once. Three of each (even) in one session, or 21 of each, or 27 of each, or 108 of each, or a couple of rounds of each... you get the idea.
It's going to be largely specific to your teacher, so you'll need a lot of answers before you see much of a pattern.
My experience in Nyingma has generally been all at once. Three of each (even) in one session, or 21 of each, or 27 of each, or 108 of each, or a couple of rounds of each... you get the idea.
It's going to be largely specific to your teacher, so you'll need a lot of answers before you see much of a pattern.
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
for the first year or two it was "do the prostrations and accumulate first," then it became more flexible, and ultimately became "do 1at least 10k of each, a year." This was for the first Ngondro.
My current daily practice includes different ngondro, and I am no longer counting the numbers.
My current daily practice includes different ngondro, and I am no longer counting the numbers.
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Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
Ah I see thanks. How long was this for, may I ask?Cinnabar wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:48 pmIt means it was our main and only practice for a period of time.karmanyingpo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:45 pmWhen you say by time, does that mean you practiced a certain set amount of time every day? Or that your teacher asked you to practice ngondro daily for a certain set length of time?Cinnabar wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:25 pm The first ngondro I did was according to time. So I did all the parts every session, just fewer recitations.
Second ngondro was by numbers. I was instructed to do the Guru Rinpoche guru yoga first. Then to do the rest of the sections in order. I was given extra Vajrasattva to offset a physical problem that made prostrations harder.
Thx for input
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
I don't know how typical my case is, but my teacher is flexible with it and allows us to do individual sections as separate practices.
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
Would be fascinating to see how answers vary according to lineage/school but that is a bit above my pay grade hahaLingpupa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:04 pm My first was Kagyu, which was strictly 1 bum of the first, then 1 bum of the second etc., though with one exception that was for a specific reason - it really was an exception.
My experience in Nyingma has generally been all at once. Three of each (even) in one session, or 21 of each, or 27 of each, or 108 of each, or a couple of rounds of each... you get the idea.
It's going to be largely specific to your teacher, so you'll need a lot of answers before you see much of a pattern.
KN
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
I have noticed that some students do this. Count at first, and then just continue as a daily practice without counting.conebeckham wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:06 pm for the first year or two it was "do the prostrations and accumulate first," then it became more flexible, and ultimately became "do 1at least 10k of each, a year." This was for the first Ngondro.
My current daily practice includes different ngondro, and I am no longer counting the numbers.
KN
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
I have always felt variations were upaya and less formal lineage differences.karmanyingpo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:24 pm
Would be fascinating to see how answers vary according to lineage/school but that is a bit above my pay grade haha
KN
Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
As i understand now there is no strict rule in ngondro texts, numbers and order depend on teachers, so when i have commitment to
accumulate some Guru mantras, can i do it with ngondro text without accumulating the other practices?
accumulate some Guru mantras, can i do it with ngondro text without accumulating the other practices?
Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
The only strict rule is your lamas instructions. So your lama could answer that.
Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
Well, this is how I was taught, more than once I might add. Anyway, doing one thing at the time is something I also seen.
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
I think it’s important to be careful not to burn out on prostrations as that seems to happen regularly. Then it’s better to move on and focus on another part. And just do a few daily if you want.
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
My experience is the same as Heart's, i.e., say the whole ngondro text every time but only count one thing at a time beginning with refuge and ending with Guru yoga.
Re prostrations, I did prostrations separate from refuge or Vajrasattva. So I did count prostrations while counting other sections of my ngondro (Longchen Nyingthig). It took me six months to complete my prostrations. So I probably did at least two other sections at the same time as prostrations. (Each section tended to take me three months if I remember correctly.)
Re prostrations, I did prostrations separate from refuge or Vajrasattva. So I did count prostrations while counting other sections of my ngondro (Longchen Nyingthig). It took me six months to complete my prostrations. So I probably did at least two other sections at the same time as prostrations. (Each section tended to take me three months if I remember correctly.)
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Re: Poll - ngondro accumulations in sequence? (finish one 100,000 then do next?)
Interesting! Many variations.pemachophel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:56 pm My experience is the same as Heart's, i.e., say the whole ngondro text every time but only count one thing at a time beginning with refuge and ending with Guru yoga.
Re prostrations, I did prostrations separate from refuge or Vajrasattva. So I did count prostrations while counting other sections of my ngondro (Longchen Nyingthig). It took me six months to complete my prostrations. So I probably did at least two other sections at the same time as prostrations. (Each section tended to take me three months if I remember correctly.)
My teacher has us doing prostrations with Guru Yoga however we can also do them with refuge if we want.
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