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Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:30 am
by The Mantra Mongoose
Hello all,

One of my favorite ways to practice confession is with me imagining my guru above my head and reciting prayers. I recently came across Dudjom Rinpoche saying in "Perfect Conduct" that reciting the Immaculate confession tantra while visualizing your guru above your head is one of the multitude of ways that a person can repair any breakages of samaya and vows. I wanted to know if a reading transmission is needed to use excerpts of this tantra for confession? I particularly like the 16th chapter that Patrul Rinpoche was said to have recited before he passed. I also want to know so i can ask my guru for the reading transmission if its needed because i find this tantra really beautiful and would like to study it. I guessing for just reciting excerpts a reading transmission would be recommended but not absolutely necessary? Any help would be appreciated.

Re: Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:05 pm
by javier.espinoza.t
there is the "Rudra's Lament" confession, right? i'm also interested if one needs lung for this.

Re: Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:24 pm
by pemachophel
Yes, you need lung. However, if you have strong faith in this shakpa, you can begin without lung as long as you make the strong intention that you will get the lung as soon as possible.

Re: Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:24 pm
by javier.espinoza.t
pemachophel wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:24 pm Yes, you need lung. However, if you have strong faith in this shakpa, you can begin without lung as long as you make the strong intention that you will get the lung as soon as possible.
Thank you Lama Pema, this is useful.

I think i can go to khenpo and ask for this when i travel where he is.

Re: Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:41 pm
by Cinnabar
Which category of texts can one engage like this-- without a lung with the aspiration that one would get a lung as soon as possible?
pemachophel wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:24 pm Yes, you need lung. However, if you have strong faith in this shakpa, you can begin without lung as long as you make the strong intention that you will get the lung as soon as possible.

Re: Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:34 pm
by javier.espinoza.t
javier.espinoza.t wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:24 pm
pemachophel wrote: Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:24 pm Yes, you need lung. However, if you have strong faith in this shakpa, you can begin without lung as long as you make the strong intention that you will get the lung as soon as possible.
Thank you Lama Pema, this is useful.

I think i can go to khenpo and ask for this when i travel where he is.
it is a very powerful purification, i think. incredible.

Re: Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 3:24 am
by The Mantra Mongoose
there is the "Rudra's Lament" confession, right? i'm also interested if one needs lung for this.
Hey Javier,

Yes, as far as i know " Rudras Lament" is a section or chapter of the Immaculate Confession Tantra. there are so many wonderful confession prayers from this tantra. I came to know about it through Patrul Rinpoche's biography.
Yes, you need lung. However, if you have strong faith in this shakpa, you can begin without lung as long as you make the strong intention that you will get the lung as soon as possible.
Hey Lama Pema,

Thanks for clarifying about this. I wont be able to see my Guru any time soon so ill have to just rely on my Guru yoga with confession for purification/ repairing samaya for now. I don't know if ill have the opportunity in the future to receive it from a lama so i don't want to make a false or lax intention so ill put it on the shelf for now.

Re: Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:51 pm
by pemachophel
Long confessions mainly just list one's possible infractions. At the end, the actual purification is accomplished by Vajrasattva. So just do Vajrasattva while enumerating your own downfalls and faults. There's nothing superior to Vajrasattva when doing purification, especially remembering/recognizing/Realizing Vajrasattva's wisdom mind and one's own Toot Guru's wisdom mind are one and the same thing.

Good luck & best wishes.

Re: Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:54 pm
by Könchok Thrinley
:good: Thank you lama Pema. Needed to hear this.

Re: Is transmission needed to recite the Immaculate Confession Tantra?

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:59 pm
by pemachophel
Meant to say "Root Guru." I have double vision due to myasthenia gravis. So I make many typos. Sorry.