Ngakpas everywhere!

[jet.urgyen]

i'm sorry, but any idiot can wear a zen, have dreadlocks, carry a mala, etc. this are absolutely no indicators of anything.

i mean, of course there are true practitioners that use this, but it is fallacious to consider this garments as indicator.

nowadays this are like the swords of samurais in their final period: sharpless.

Any idiot can say "A" three times, this is absolutley not an indicator of anything.

I mean of course there are true practitioners that use this method to directly perceive the nature of their minds, but it is fallacious to consider the practice as an indicator.

nowadays this is like the words of internet philosophers during the social media period: lacking any real meaning.

i agree.


edit:

i wanted to apollogize if i offended anyone, it isn't my wish to be it so.

[Tenma]

Well, I’ll put it this way: all this conversation has convinced me to never become ngakpa (or at least not in this life), it just all seems mundane on a spiritual sense with more restrictions about this rite or that siddhi or some appeasement, etc.


In short, I believe we can lock up this forum. My respects to the great ngakpas and their siddhis, though at this time, I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination, local weather control, etc.

[jet.urgyen]

¿how can one recognize a true ngakpa? i mean someone who take this seriously ¿how?

[amanitamusc]

Well, I’ll put it this way: all this conversation has convinced me to never become ngakpa (or at least not in this life), it just all seems mundane on a spiritual sense with more restrictions about this rite or that siddhi or some appeasement, etc.


In short, I believe we can lock up this forum. My respects to the great ngakpas and their siddhis, though at this time, I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination, local weather control, etc.

Maybe in the future you can find a Tony Robbins or J.P Sears kinda Ngakpa friends.
As far as there being no need for divination or weather control.This is as applicalble as it ever has been unless you have a handy divination app you are not telling us about.
In short. You have disrespected the Great Ngakpas of the past and present in the same sentence you claim to respect them.

[amanitamusc]

¿how can one recognize a true ngakpa? i mean someone who take this seriously ¿how?

Be one.
Or ask Malcolm.One of his Root Lama's is Ngakpa Yeshe Dorje.

[Grigoris]

Well, I’ll put it this way: all this conversation has convinced me to never become ngakpa (or at least not in this life), it just all seems mundane on a spiritual sense with more restrictions about this rite or that siddhi or some appeasement, etc.


In short, I believe we can lock up this forum. My respects to the great ngakpas and their siddhis, though at this time, I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination, local weather control, etc.

Like we care...

[heart]

¿how can one recognize a true ngakpa? i mean someone who take this seriously ¿how?

Use the same metod you use to recognise a true monk/nun.

/magnus

[Mantrik]

I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination..........

You serious? It is a massive massive business, from 'super forecasters' in politics and economics to those addicted to daily horoscopes.
The 'modern world' is global, obviously, and people in many cultures look to spiritual sources of divination.
As for the Ngakpa variety I can guarantee you than anyone capable of mirror divination will be highly sought after, and I suspect many who post here use dice divination, mala divination, or another form, and consult the Tibetan calendar carefully for auspiciousness.

[jet.urgyen]

I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination..........

As for the Ngakpa variety I can guarantee you than anyone capable of mirror divination will be highly sought after, and I suspect many who post here use dice divination, mala divination, or another form, and consult the Tibetan calendar carefully for auspiciousness.

yep, ime it has being very very helpfull.

[Tenma]

Well, I’ll put it this way: all this conversation has convinced me to never become ngakpa (or at least not in this life), it just all seems mundane on a spiritual sense with more restrictions about this rite or that siddhi or some appeasement, etc.


In short, I believe we can lock up this forum. My respects to the great ngakpas and their siddhis, though at this time, I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination, local weather control, etc.

Maybe in the future you can find a Tony Robbins or J.P Sears kinda Ngakpa friends.
As far as there being no need for divination or weather control.This is as applicalble as it ever has been unless you have a handy divination app you are not telling us about.
In short. You have disrespected the Great Ngakpas of the past and present in the same sentence you claim to respect them.

-Why would there be a divination app in the first place?
-Can you tell me something that has been applicable about weather control today then, especially outside of Tibet and India? Why not Africa if it works?
-Sure.

Why do we even need divination? Why have something tell us what to do? Is it not we who decide our fate, not have our fate pre-destined to the organization of a bunch of stuff?

[Tenma]

I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination..........

You serious? It is a massive massive business, from 'super forecasters' in politics and economics to those addicted to daily horoscopes.
The 'modern world' is global, obviously, and people in many cultures look to spiritual sources of divination.
As for the Ngakpa variety I can guarantee you than anyone capable of mirror divination will be highly sought after, and I suspect many who post here use dice divination, mala divination, or another form, and consult the Tibetan calendar carefully for auspiciousness.

Again, why restrict our fates to the organization of things? Can we not make our own decisions, especially under the teachings of a lama? Why not actually think things through instead of throwing all our questions into the organization of beads, shells, shadows, etc.?
I'll ask this to everyone: what do you use divinations for in your life?

I can understand why some might consider certain astronomical events such as a full/new moon, the lunar eclipse, and the like as sacred (whether it be the tides, mating rituals for animals such as sea urchins, etc.), but why have each day have a determination for auspiciousness? It's very probable the Buddha didn't teach astrology, let alone some form of "healing rites" that were most likely developed by local traditions and whatnot.

[Mantrik]

I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination..........

You serious? It is a massive massive business, from 'super forecasters' in politics and economics to those addicted to daily horoscopes.
The 'modern world' is global, obviously, and people in many cultures look to spiritual sources of divination.
As for the Ngakpa variety I can guarantee you than anyone capable of mirror divination will be highly sought after, and I suspect many who post here use dice divination, mala divination, or another form, and consult the Tibetan calendar carefully for auspiciousness.

Again, why restrict our fates to the organization of things? Can we not make our own decisions, especially under the teachings of a lama? Why not actually think things through instead of throwing all our questions into the organization of beads, shells, shadows, etc.?
I'll ask this to everyone: what do you use divinations for in your life?

I can understand why some might consider certain astronomical events such as a full/new moon, the lunar eclipse, and the like as sacred (whether it be the tides, mating rituals for animals such as sea urchins, etc.), but why have each day have a determination for auspiciousness? It's very probable the Buddha didn't teach astrology, let alone some form of "healing rites" that were most likely developed by local traditions and whatnot.

Ah, you mean make our own decisions? Check.
Based on the advice of a Lama? Check.
A Lama who has more than likely consulted the calendar and divination?

You mean a Buddha called Padmasambhava or another one?

I suppose it is possible to be a Ngakpa and not believe in siddhis at all, or Oracles, or auspicious days, or Dharmapalas..........
Are you sure you are in the right part of the forum?
This is 'Tibetan Buddhism' so it is quite likely there will be the context of that culture, you know.

I am at a loss why you think that logical decision-making and 'thinking things through' may not take into account divination and other similar advice received from those who are our masters or have the training in these matters based on many generations.

It's a bit like being in a computer shop and refusing all advice even though you have no idea about hardware or software.

[treehuggingoctopus]

It's very probable the Buddha didn't teach astrology, let alone some form of "healing rites" that were most likely developed by local traditions and whatnot.

Not sure whether you are trolling, joking, or just unaware of what you are doing.

This is the Vajrayana section of DW. If you want to embark upon the fundamentalist search for "what the Buddha *actually* taught," or some other version of the modernising trip, you need to post elsewhere.

[jet.urgyen]

Why do we even need divination? Why have something tell us what to do? Is it not we who decide our fate, not have our fate pre-destined to the organization of a bunch of stuff?

we don't need divination but is very nice to have advice from a wisdom being like a boddhisatva and so on. we always decide what to do, even if we decide to do nothing.

vajrayana divinations i know points causes and consequences that usually we cannot identify by means of our own capacity. for example questions like ¿would be good for me to study with that teacher?, ¿why i have this problem?, ¿did i made a heavy mistake yesterday?, etc. and even questions like ¿e'm i practicing correctly this method? ¿how can i correct that?, etc.

and also other kind of things like ¿how will be my parents health in the next half year? and alike.

one can observe then how things manifests and decide how to act.

[PeterC]

It's a bit like being in a computer shop and refusing all advice even though you have no idea about hardware or software.

I get divinations for important things - surgeries, office layout, moving house, etc. I’m generally a very rational person. Part of being rational is recognizing that luck matters and there are many unseen factors outside your control. And getting advice from someone you respect cant really hurt, can it?

[Fortyeightvows]

I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination..........

You serious? It is a massive massive business, from 'super forecasters' in politics and economics to those addicted to daily horoscopes.
The 'modern world' is global, obviously, and people in many cultures look to spiritual sources of divination.

The weather people on TV....in english, they even call them 'forecasts'

[Grigoris]

I get divinations for important things - surgeries, office layout, moving house, etc. I’m generally a very rational person. Part of being rational is recognizing that luck matters and there are many unseen factors outside your control. And getting advice from someone you respect cant really hurt, can it?

Divination has nothing to do with luck. It is all about identifying subtle or difficult to perceive patterns of karma and vipakka/phala, by relying on wisdom beings pointing them out to you via symbols.

[Norwegian]

I have doubts that the modern world has any use of divination..........

You serious? It is a massive massive business, from 'super forecasters' in politics and economics to those addicted to daily horoscopes.
The 'modern world' is global, obviously, and people in many cultures look to spiritual sources of divination.

The weather people on TV....in english, they even call them 'forecasts'

"The weather people on TV" can't control the weather.

[Varis]

I don't see why ngakpas aren't valuable in the modern world.
Plenty of people would go to a legit ngakpa to get a divination, rituals done for them, etc.

People pay big money in the United States and other first world countries to have priests of santeria, vodou, etc. perform divination, and rituals for love, money, luck, protection, etc. all things perfectly within the scope of a ngakpa.

I understand westerners who come to Buddhism usually do so because they're interested in spirituality and all that and aren't always interested in those mundane things. But there are plenty of other people who would love to have the services of a ngakpa if they were available.

[pemachophel]

Personally, I haven't found much interest in the services of a ngakpa (other than divination) in even a heavily Vajrayana city like Boulder, CO. Perhaps that's because so many of the practitioners here are old Trungpa Rinpoche students. (Don't ask me to explain that further, please.) I the last year, I've had a single request for a puja, and that was from a Nepali Buddhist.

Disclaimer: I'm a bit of a hidden yogi, and I'm not allowed to advertise (and wouldn't anyway). So, to be fair, most people don't know my training and background or how I spend my days. To all my neighbors, I'm just retired, old gardener Bob who always wears a red shirt.