Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
I'm trying to track down which Mahakala is given as part of the Jewel Garland of 50 Deities. I've asked around Drikung Kagyu, as it was given by Garchen Rinpoche and it is thought to have been a two-armed Mahakala. GR gave it as a separate empowerment on Sept 2016 in Germany. I've asked the centre and the Institute etc. but no response.
Any additional information, please? (I don't read Tibetan.)
PM will be fine. I have the transmission and the mantra from 2016 but would like more information and a sadhana, if one exists.
Thanks.
Any additional information, please? (I don't read Tibetan.)
PM will be fine. I have the transmission and the mantra from 2016 but would like more information and a sadhana, if one exists.
Thanks.
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Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Hi,Mantrik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:08 am I'm trying to track down which Mahakala is given as part of the Jewel Garland of 50 Deities. I've asked around Drikung Kagyu, as it was given by Garchen Rinpoche and it is thought to have been a two-armed Mahakala. GR gave it as a separate empowerment on Sept 2016 in Germany. I've asked the centre and the Institute etc. but no response.
Any additional information, please? (I don't read Tibetan.)
PM will be fine. I have the transmission and the mantra from 2016 but would like more information and a sadhana, if one exists.
Thanks.
you might find the answer here https://milareparetreat.org/index.php/e ... lenkette-2 but there it says just mahakala... unless there is another one. Have you tried writing to the Milarepa Retreat Center? I could be theoretically able to find it out but it could take weeks as a friend has access to the text of the 50 deities garland.
Maybe you could ask at the Drikung Kagyu Foundation http://www.drikungkagyufoundation.org/fiftydeities/ as there was the empowerment too.
“Observing samaya involves to remain inseparable from the union of wisdom and compassion at all times, to sustain mindfulness, and to put into practice the guru’s instructions”. Garchen Rinpoche
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Thanks, yes, I found those sources but there is no detail, and I've asked the various centres etc.Miroku wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:15 amHi,Mantrik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:08 am I'm trying to track down which Mahakala is given as part of the Jewel Garland of 50 Deities. I've asked around Drikung Kagyu, as it was given by Garchen Rinpoche and it is thought to have been a two-armed Mahakala. GR gave it as a separate empowerment on Sept 2016 in Germany. I've asked the centre and the Institute etc. but no response.
Any additional information, please? (I don't read Tibetan.)
PM will be fine. I have the transmission and the mantra from 2016 but would like more information and a sadhana, if one exists.
Thanks.
you might find the answer here https://milareparetreat.org/index.php/e ... lenkette-2 but there it says just mahakala... unless there is another one. Have you tried writing to the Milarepa Retreat Center? I could be theoretically able to find it out but it could take weeks as a friend has access to the text of the 50 deities garland.
Maybe you could ask at the Drikung Kagyu Foundation http://www.drikungkagyufoundation.org/fiftydeities/ as there was the empowerment too.
I'll ask the Foundation again.
Any info would be very welcome, thanks.
http://www.khyung.com ཁྲོཾ
Om Thathpurushaya Vidhmahe
Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
Micchāmi Dukkaḍaṃ (मिच्छामि दुक्कडम्)
Om Thathpurushaya Vidhmahe
Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
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Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
The Mahākāla in the Jewel Garland is the two-armed form holding a curved knife and skull-cup. Texts in the collection don't give a specific name to his form -- he's just called "Mahākāla" and is said to come from the Cakrasaṃvara. As with other Sarma deities in the collection, the lineage originally comes from Abhayākāragupta.
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Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Ah, thank you.ratna wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:39 am The Mahākāla in the Jewel Garland is the two-armed form holding a curved knife and skull-cup. Texts in the collection don't give a specific name to his form -- he's just called "Mahākāla" and is said to come from the Cakrasaṃvara. As with other Sarma deities in the collection, the lineage originally comes from Abhayākāragupta.
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Yes, all the details I found just said 'Mahakala'. Confusingly, the Drikung advert for the empowerment stated Bernagchen.
I'll see what I can find by way of image etc.
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Om Thathpurushaya Vidhmahe
Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
Micchāmi Dukkaḍaṃ (मिच्छामि दुक्कडम्)
Om Thathpurushaya Vidhmahe
Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
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Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
I think I found him.
Karatidhara Mahakala is from the Kalachakra Tantra.
https://www.himalayanart.org/search/set.cfm?setID=422
This particular image is from a Kadam lineage but...
Karatidhara Mahakala is from the Kalachakra Tantra.
https://www.himalayanart.org/search/set.cfm?setID=422
This particular image is from a Kadam lineage but...
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Good find.Grigoris wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:35 pm I think I found him.
Karatidhara Mahakala is from the Kalachakra Tantra.
https://www.himalayanart.org/search/set.cfm?setID=422
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This particular image is from a Kadam lineage but...
Dug around a bit on there and found this oen which is Kagyu too:
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Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
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Om Thathpurushaya Vidhmahe
Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
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Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Don't wanna spoil it or cause uncertainty but what my friend told me was that the mahakala is a "classical kagyu 4 armed wrathful mahakala". But dunno. Anyway best of luck Mantrik, I have noticed this is like your 3rd try to find it.
“Observing samaya involves to remain inseparable from the union of wisdom and compassion at all times, to sustain mindfulness, and to put into practice the guru’s instructions”. Garchen Rinpoche
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Thanks for asking him. He may well be correct!
It would make it easy if it was the normal 4 armed one he gave on 18th Sept 2016. I didn't question what was given in the centre's blurb - which was Bernagchen!
To be absolutely sure I probably need Ina (the translator) or someone else who was there at the time.
If I compromise and use a 3 armed Mahakala with one Hum less in the mantra that should fix it!
http://www.khyung.com ཁྲོཾ
Om Thathpurushaya Vidhmahe
Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
Micchāmi Dukkaḍaṃ (मिच्छामि दुक्कडम्)
Om Thathpurushaya Vidhmahe
Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
Thanno Garuda Prachodayath
Micchāmi Dukkaḍaṃ (मिच्छामि दुक्कडम्)
Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
That's the normal guy, for sure. Someone in the Drikung Group on FB was very precise, though, about the Mahakala given in the 50, and also at the event I quoted, is a rare two-armed version with a mantra which is definitely not Bernagchen's.Grigoris wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:41 pmhttps://www.himalayanart.org/search/set.cfm?setID=421
Chaturbhuja.jpg
''given in Gar Drolma during 13 of 50 empowerments and in Munich Germany in special event of Guru Rinpoches fire monkey year''.
But nobody seems to remember full details.
I'm not short of Mahakalas, as it were, having transmission for 6-armed and for Maning, but it would be nice to know, especially as a Yidam empowerment.
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Suvarna Pakshaya Dheemahe
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Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Hah yes, I think enlightened being can appreciate a good compromise. The one posted by Grigoris seem to be the right one based on the source and lineage.Mantrik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:36 pmThanks for asking him. He may well be correct!
It would make it easy if it was the normal 4 armed one he gave on 18th Sept 2016. I didn't question what was given in the centre's blurb - which was Bernagchen!
To be absolutely sure I probably need Ina (the translator) or someone else who was there at the time.
If I compromise and use a 3 armed Mahakala with one Hum less in the mantra that should fix it!
“Observing samaya involves to remain inseparable from the union of wisdom and compassion at all times, to sustain mindfulness, and to put into practice the guru’s instructions”. Garchen Rinpoche
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
In terms of iconography, yes, but not lineage -- the one in Drikung is said to come specifically from Cakrasaṃvara Tantra.
This is the tsakli for the empowerment in the Jewel Garland:
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Oh I see, thank you ratna!
“Observing samaya involves to remain inseparable from the union of wisdom and compassion at all times, to sustain mindfulness, and to put into practice the guru’s instructions”. Garchen Rinpoche
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
that becomes suffering indeed.
- Arya Sanghata Sutra
Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Ooooopsss, wrong tantra!
On the other hand, iconographers do not necessarily practice in the same lineage that the tangkha images originate from. Many times they are commissioned and given a description.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Excellent. Thank you.
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Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Do you perchance have a link to the Jewel Garland text on TBRC?
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
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Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Thanks, Ratna.
དམ་པའི་དོན་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ཆེ་བ་དང་།
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
རྟོག་གེའི་ཡུལ་མིན་བླ་མའི་བྱིན་རླབས་དང་།
སྐལ་ལྡན་ལས་འཕྲོ་ཅན་གྱིས་རྟོགས་པ་སྟེ།
དེ་ནི་ཤེས་རབ་ལ་ནི་ལོ་རྟོག་སེལ།།
"Absolute Truth is not an object of analytical discourse or great discriminating wisdom,
It is realized through the blessing grace of the Guru and fortunate Karmic potential.
Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
- (Kyabje Bokar Rinpoche, from his summary of "The Ocean of Definitive Meaning")
Re: Jewel Garland - Which Mahakala?
Tashi Delek and Happy Losar to all!
Dear ratna, could you please help me where can I find more (English or other non-Tibetan language) information on the Drikung Kagyu Two-armed Mahakala?
Thanks.
Dear ratna, could you please help me where can I find more (English or other non-Tibetan language) information on the Drikung Kagyu Two-armed Mahakala?
Thanks.