michaelb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 3:23 pm
Mantrik wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:53 pm
The fact that you personally express ChNN's transmission as 'problematic', doubt its veracity, advise others to treat it with caution, not to see it as a matter of trust, etc etc, whilst weirdly claiming not to do so, is the problem here. If you have received that empowerment from that 'someone who comes on and makes a claim' it is a most unfortunate path to take..
I personally do not see this as "problematic." ..............I don't see difference or innovation as a big deal......treat this story with caution.......Sure, we can speculate, but we don't really know.
So, edited to show bare bones as above. The 'someone' you challenge is ChNN, clearly. Malcolm is just relaying info. If you have received ChNN's empowerment your behaviour here is unfortunate. It is not a matter of being consistent with other Gurus who have described Drolo, even within the Adzom Drugpa terma. It is a matter of accepting that for his transmission, ChNN's description is true and valid, and has no need of the consistency you seem to find lacking, a fault.
You are advising people it is problematic*, to treat it with caution, later qualifying that by assuming they will somehow want to apply ChNN's description elsewhere, when in fact you are the one steering readers to such thinking. You see it as an innovation of ChNN's, and stated so repeatedly, yet cannot prove this, demanding written evidence seemingly in denial of the possibility of oral transmission. You cannot see that it is you who are speculating and using loaded vocabulary in every post. Read your own posts and you will see that you are.
So, what you seem to be saying to ChNN via Malcolm is: I accept what you say as utterly valid, except people should take care, not treat it as a matter of trust, assume it to be a problematic invention. All your words, so own them.
There are countless descriptions of deities and dharmapalas and those of Guru Rinpoche's forms are, like the rest, only useful to point us to the essence of the practice. Of course you are free to find joy in examining how many hairs are on the tiger, but when your vocabulary here clearly points to sowing seeds of doubt about a particular transmission, you may expect your assumptions to be challenged.
*''There are a few problems with the story. .......'' (Quote)