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Josef wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm By observing their conduct. This is quite simple really.
Do you peak at night in their rooms?
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm
PSM wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:16 pm
PeterC wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:04 pm Is what they teach even the dharma?
A good chunk of it seems to be similar to play-acting. The notion of putting someone in a 'stockade' should be a red flag, especially post-Stanford prison experiment
I feel this is nitpicking now. If there were no sexual allegations, you and PeterC probably wouldn't think much of any of that. I don't think this due to Shambhala's "weirdness." I actually think most Tibetan Lamas, even the ones with "wisdom, bodhicitta, and warmth," do the same as Mipham.
Well, you’re wrong. But that’s not really a surprise.
“Most” Tibetan lamas certainly don’t engage in this kind of misconduct, especially the ones with bodhicitta.
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:24 pm
Josef wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm By observing their conduct. This is quite simple really.
Do you peak at night in their rooms?
No, but I’ve spent plenty of nights in the same house, adjoining room, serving them in their room, and years of practice along side them.
I’d have noticed if something was off. And I was looking.
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Josef wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:27 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:24 pm
Josef wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm By observing their conduct. This is quite simple really.
Do you peak at night in their rooms?
No, but I’ve spent plenty of nights in the same house, adjoining room, serving them and years of practice along side them.
I’d have noticed if something was off. And I was looking.
Maybe they were doing a good job. :lol:
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:28 pm
Josef wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:27 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:24 pm

Do you peak at night in their rooms?
No, but I’ve spent plenty of nights in the same house, adjoining room, serving them and years of practice along side them.
I’d have noticed if something was off. And I was looking.
Maybe they were doing a good job. :lol:
They were, a good job of embodying the three precious jewels.
Kye ma!
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:28 pm
Josef wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:27 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:24 pm

Do you peak at night in their rooms?
No, but I’ve spent plenty of nights in the same house, adjoining room, serving them and years of practice along side them.
I’d have noticed if something was off. And I was looking.
Maybe they were doing a good job. :lol:
Why do you insist on littering this forum with aimless crap like this?
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm
PSM wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:16 pm
PeterC wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:04 pm Is what they teach even the dharma?
A good chunk of it seems to be similar to play-acting. The notion of putting someone in a 'stockade' should be a red flag, especially post-Stanford prison experiment
I feel this is nitpicking now. If there were no sexual allegations, you and PeterC probably wouldn't think much of any of that. I don't think this due to Shambhala's "weirdness." I actually think most Tibetan Lamas, even the ones with "wisdom, bodhicitta, and warmth," do the same as Mipham.
Someone can boot me out of a dharma centre if they like as it's their property, but try to stick me in some hippy 'prison' and I'm going to kick off. It's literally a crime - false imprisonment.
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Aryjna wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:35 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:28 pm
Josef wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:27 pm

No, but I’ve spent plenty of nights in the same house, adjoining room, serving them and years of practice along side them.
I’d have noticed if something was off. And I was looking.
Maybe they were doing a good job. :lol:
Why do you insist on littering this forum with aimless crap like this?
Because I think it's important not to be too sure that one's own teachers aren't doing the same.
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PSM wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:35 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm
PSM wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:16 pm

A good chunk of it seems to be similar to play-acting. The notion of putting someone in a 'stockade' should be a red flag, especially post-Stanford prison experiment
I feel this is nitpicking now. If there were no sexual allegations, you and PeterC probably wouldn't think much of any of that. I don't think this due to Shambhala's "weirdness." I actually think most Tibetan Lamas, even the ones with "wisdom, bodhicitta, and warmth," do the same as Mipham.
Someone can boot me out of a dharma centre if they like as it's their property, but try to stick me in some hippy 'prison' and I'm going to kick off. It's literally a crime - false imprisonment.
I agree that it's pretty weird, but I don't think it has anything to do with the sexual misconduct.
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm
PSM wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:16 pm
PeterC wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:04 pm Is what they teach even the dharma?
A good chunk of it seems to be similar to play-acting. The notion of putting someone in a 'stockade' should be a red flag, especially post-Stanford prison experiment
I feel this is nitpicking now. If there were no sexual allegations, you and PeterC probably wouldn't think much of any of that. I don't think this due to Shambhala's "weirdness." I actually think most Tibetan Lamas, even the ones with "wisdom, bodhicitta, and warmth," do the same as Mipham.
What evidence have you for this? What does “most” mean? 70%, 80%, 90%+?
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:36 pm
Aryjna wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:35 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:28 pm

Maybe they were doing a good job. :lol:
Why do you insist on littering this forum with aimless crap like this?
Because I think it's important not to be too sure that one's own teachers aren't doing the same.
Leaving aside the fact that his makes little sense, given that you actually have no clue on the subject and you are simply speculating, why do you think that is important?
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:22 pm
PSM wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:16 pm
PeterC wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:04 pm Is what they teach even the dharma?
A good chunk of it seems to be similar to play-acting. The notion of putting someone in a 'stockade' should be a red flag, especially post-Stanford prison experiment
I feel this is nitpicking now. If there were no sexual allegations, you and PeterC probably wouldn't think much of any of that. I don't think this due to Shambhala's "weirdness." I actually think most Tibetan Lamas, even the ones with "wisdom, bodhicitta, and warmth," do the same as Mipham.
No, on two levels. First, they have seemed suspect to many dharma practitioners for a long time. Second, your assertion that “most Tibetan lamas...do the same” is complete nonsense. If you really think most lamas are doing what is described in that report, provide names and details. Otherwise you should reconsider making absurd statements like that in public.
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:36 pm
Aryjna wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:35 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:28 pm

Maybe they were doing a good job. :lol:
Why do you insist on littering this forum with aimless crap like this?

Because I think it's important not to be too sure that one's own teachers aren't doing the same.
So in your opinion, most Tibetan Lanas are sexual predators of the Harvey Weinstein variety?
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:36 pm
PSM wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:35 pm Someone can boot me out of a dharma centre if they like as it's their property, but try to stick me in some hippy 'prison' and I'm going to kick off. It's literally a crime - false imprisonment.
I agree that it's pretty weird, but I don't think it has anything to do with the sexual misconduct.
When the culture of a place gets more and more removed from the culture at large, then the general cultural norms can get thrown out the window. That's when the common sense of recognising abuse when you see it gets neutralised and excuses based on the 'new society' (i.e. it's "crazy wisdom") get going, especially to protect the integrity of the leadership. It's a danger in anything like this, not just dharma.
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Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:40 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:36 pm
Aryjna wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:35 pm

Why do you insist on littering this forum with aimless crap like this?

Because I think it's important not to be too sure that one's own teachers aren't doing the same.
So on your opinion, most Tibetan Lanas are sexual predators of the Harvey Weinstein variety?
In my opinion, they all do it. But in general, doesn't not being on guard for it even in what one expects as the unlikeliest places help perpetuate it?
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:43 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:40 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:36 pm


Because I think it's important not to be too sure that one's own teachers aren't doing the same.
So on your opinion, most Tibetan Lanas are sexual predators of the Harvey Weinstein variety?
In my opinion, they all do it.
Even fully ordained Khenpos and geshes?
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Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:44 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:43 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:40 pm

So on your opinion, most Tibetan Lanas are sexual predators of the Harvey Weinstein variety?
In my opinion, they all do it.
Even fully ordained Khenpos and geshes?
If they practice HYT, they are more likely to be doing it, and probably doing it Mipham style.
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:43 pm
In my opinion, they all do it. But in general, doesn't not being on guard for it even in what one expects as the unlikeliest places help perpetuate it?
So it is partly the fault of the victims as well?

Oh by the way, you claimed it was a dharma teaching. But now it seems you think it is misconduct but acceptable behavior because all lamas do it (in your opinion)?

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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:47 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:44 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:43 pm

In my opinion, they all do it.
Even fully ordained Khenpos and geshes?
If they practice HYT, they are more likely to be doing it, and probably doing it Mipham style.
They all practice HYT. So, in the end can we conclude that in your opinion it is just fine that all these sexual predators should be permitted to continue unchecked?
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Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:47 pm
Malcolm wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:44 pm
Snowbear wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 4:43 pm

In my opinion, they all do it.
Even fully ordained Khenpos and geshes?
If they practice HYT, they are more likely to be doing it, and probably doing it Mipham style.
What facts or evidence do you offer to back this up?
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