Who should practice Dharma this way? All who have complete ngondro?
Mipham Rinpoche channels Weinstein:
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Malcolm, I don't see your reference in Kongtrul's book. Can you quote it?
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It is an error that when one is realized, they are beyond karma. This is the falsehood that this is propogated under as far as I can tell. Padmasambhava was clear about this, "My realization is higher than the sky, But my observance of karma is finer than grains of flour".
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Just "married women" here.Pema Karpo cites the following lines of the Subahu Tantra concerning unworthy
actions:
A mantrin should always shun
Offensive speech, slander,
Sexual relations with married women,
Again....(3) Not to engage in adultery means to abstain from sexual relations
with an inappropriate partner, such as another’s spouse,
whether or not one has taken the vow of celibacy;
Again. They all seem to be saying "untaken" women is fine....(2) Not to engage in sexual union with the consort of one’s
master;
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Just a clarification on this -- so if you're a Vajrayana practicioner and are married to a non-Buddhist wife/husband, then having sex with them would be sexual misconduct?
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Yes they are. And they are ruled by illuminaty who have their base on the moon where ghost of Richard Nixon leads it all as a form of vengance for the Watergate.
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For those who do non-virtuous actions,
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For those who do virtuous actions,
goodness is what comes to pass.
For those who do non-virtuous actions,
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You should think about what it means to "despise women, who are the embodiment of wisdom". If you are even a Vajrayana practitioner.Snowbear wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:32 pmJust "married women" here.Pema Karpo cites the following lines of the Subahu Tantra concerning unworthy
actions:
A mantrin should always shun
Offensive speech, slander,
Sexual relations with married women,
Again....(3) Not to engage in adultery means to abstain from sexual relations
with an inappropriate partner, such as another’s spouse,
whether or not one has taken the vow of celibacy;
Again. They all seem to be saying "untaken" women is fine....(2) Not to engage in sexual union with the consort of one’s
master;
"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
-Padmasambhava
-Padmasambhava
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The question is: To him, was that despising women? To us, of course. Maybe it wasn't clear to him.Karma Dorje wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:44 pmYou should think about what it means to "despise women, who are the embodiment of wisdom". If you are even a Vajrayana practitioner.Snowbear wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:32 pmJust "married women" here.Pema Karpo cites the following lines of the Subahu Tantra concerning unworthy
actions:
A mantrin should always shun
Offensive speech, slander,
Sexual relations with married women,
Again....(3) Not to engage in adultery means to abstain from sexual relations
with an inappropriate partner, such as another’s spouse,
whether or not one has taken the vow of celibacy;
Again. They all seem to be saying "untaken" women is fine....(2) Not to engage in sexual union with the consort of one’s
master;
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Again, you’re suggesting that he’s an idiot.Snowbear wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:46 pmThe question is: To him, was that despising women? To us, of course. Maybe it wasn't clear to him.Karma Dorje wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:44 pmYou should think about what it means to "despise women, who are the embodiment of wisdom". If you are even a Vajrayana practitioner.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Better be careful about how this proceeds, otherwise it will go the direction of other related threads.
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Ignorance is not an excuse. The dude was raised in North America in a highly media-literate environment.
Sakyong: Do you want to sleep with me?
Girl: No.
Sakyong: So I guess dinner and a blow job are out of the question?
"Although my view is higher than the sky, My respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour."
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No, because (1) he doesn't read minds. Those women were suffering for sure, but we now know because they aired it out later. (2) sex with women is fine in the tantras, and I suspect no one taught him how to properly deal with sexual desires, women, etc. in the context of sexual practice.Josef wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:50 pmAgain, you’re suggesting that he’s an idiot.Snowbear wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:46 pmThe question is: To him, was that despising women? To us, of course. Maybe it wasn't clear to him.Karma Dorje wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:44 pm
You should think about what it means to "despise women, who are the embodiment of wisdom". If you are even a Vajrayana practitioner.
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I didn't read the whole report, but did any woman actually confront him with how she felt about it all?Karma Dorje wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:52 pmIgnorance is not an excuse. The dude was raised in North America in a highly media-literate environment.
Sakyong: Do you want to sleep with me?
Girl: No.
Sakyong: So I guess dinner and a blow job are out of the question?
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Wow, you really think he was oblivious to the suffering he was inflicting at the time?Snowbear wrote: ↑Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:53 pmNo, because (1) he doesn't read minds. Those women were suffering for sure, but we now know because they aired it out later. (2) sex with women is fine in the tantras, and I suspect no one taught him how to properly deal with sexual desires, women, etc. in the context of sexual practice.
That confirms that you 1, think he’s an idiot and 2, suggests that you think he may be a sociopath (which I don’t necessarily disagree with).
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Yes. It's called the Illusion of transparency.
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And to be crystal clear: Two people are already on enforced holidays from DW for the last thread. Don't make me score a hat trick.
Keep it civil and on topic.
Keep it civil and on topic.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde