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Tenma wrote:I've been a bit curious, who is the most powerful dharmapala? Also, who would be the most fastest dharmapala with quick results and which dharmapala would be the most wisest? Not only that, but which dharmapala would be the safest especially for a fourteen year old to practice and which would be the most violent and dangerous dharmapala to practice?
You only need a Dharmapala practice if you have received a HYT Yidam practice, in which case you can just do your Yidam and not worry about the Dharmapala. ;)
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Many dharmapalas get easily offended when you invoke them for mundane purpouses.
That's the cool thing about Tara. She's ok with mundane personal favors. Bokar R talks about it in his book on her. Plus she's got what it takes to help you develop spiritually. She's a win-win kinda gal.
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Miroku wrote:
CedarTree wrote:
Miroku wrote:We can make a dharmapala wrestling show or turn them into pokemons! :rolleye: :woohoo:

Jokes aside, it is always safer to do green tara, guru rinpoche, suplicate lama or just take refuge than work with dharmapalas. Many dharmapalas get easily offended when you invoke them for mundane purpouses. And also when you don't have merit they can't do anything. So maybe do sth that will generate merit and meditate on tara (she is fast in response and protects) or such.

Hmmm now I kinda wanna see that dharmapala wrestling show ... :(
Oh my God!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkdcQgNJHo
I imagine dharmapals work more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miomuSGoPzI
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Tenma wrote:I've been a bit curious, who is the most powerful dharmapala? Also, who would be the most fastest dharmapala with quick results and which dharmapala would be the most wisest? Not only that, but which dharmapala would be the safest especially for a fourteen year old to practice and which would be the most violent and dangerous dharmapala to practice?
Hi Tenma, the most powerful protector is the one that is connected to the practice you do. All major yidam's or practice cycles have particular protectors associated with them. When you do the main yidam well the protectors will pay attention to you and help you. Protector practice isn't really a standalone practice.

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I would add that all Dharmapālas protect all Dharma practitioners, whether they are Vajrayāna practitioners or not —— that's their job.
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Malcolm wrote:I would add that all Dharmapālas protect all Dharma practitioners, whether they are Vajrayāna practitioners or not —— that's their job.
In particular, the fully enlightened ones also protect us from ourselves, I'd say.


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smcj wrote:
Adamantine wrote:Since Guru Rinpoche bound most of the Dharmapalas under oath himself, and he is easily invoked through the Seven Line Prayer,
why not just go straight to the source? Invoking Guru Rinpoche with faith yields infinite benefits. If you have the Dharmapala practice and some commitment, of course don't abandon it. But otherwise, supplicate Guru Rinpoche with confidence. His blessings carry the force of the Dharmapala energy. And eventually then maybe you'll connect to them in a more
specific way once the time is ripe.
:good:

Personally I'm fond of Green Tara. She's open to all kinds of requests and not judgmental.
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What? :o are you implying Precious Vajra Guru Padmasambhava is judgmental? I mean, what are you afraid of? Are you asking to satisfy bestiality urges or what? :tongue:
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The experience of the protectors is a mysterious one, and probably not the best for someone starting out. That's my opinion. Learning to meditate first is good.
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jkarlins wrote:The experience of the protectors is a mysterious one, and probably not the best for someone starting out. That's my opinion. Learning to meditate first is good.
^ this says it all.

When I was young I immediately wanted to hop to the advanced practices, wanted to do deity yoga, learn Mahamudra and Dzogchen immediately and (if I am completely honest) simply wanted to be a super powerful practitioner that had very high practices upder their belt. As I've gotten older I have found that having a firm foundation and understanding of things like death and impermanence to be just as important.

I know that isn't as elegant and awe-inspiring as we want our practice to be, but as practitioners of Buddhadharma, that isn't what should be seeking anyway. Hell, I'd even venture to say that this whole thing has been quite disappointing from the perspective of my afflictions.

A lot more tearing down than building up.
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conebeckham wrote:
Malcolm wrote:I would add that all Dharmapālas protect all Dharma practitioners, whether they are Vajrayāna practitioners or not —— that's their job.
In particular, the fully enlightened ones also protect us from ourselves, I'd say.


:smile:
It seems that's the demon I need the most protection from myself.
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Adamantine wrote:
smcj wrote:
Adamantine wrote:Since Guru Rinpoche bound most of the Dharmapalas under oath himself, and he is easily invoked through the Seven Line Prayer,
why not just go straight to the source? Invoking Guru Rinpoche with faith yields infinite benefits. If you have the Dharmapala practice and some commitment, of course don't abandon it. But otherwise, supplicate Guru Rinpoche with confidence. His blessings carry the force of the Dharmapala energy. And eventually then maybe you'll connect to them in a more
specific way once the time is ripe.
:good:

Personally I'm fond of Green Tara. She's open to all kinds of requests and not judgmental.
:tongue:
What? :o are you implying Precious Vajra Guru Padmasambhava is judgmental? I mean, what are you afraid of? Are you asking to satisfy bestiality urges or what? :tongue:
Maybe less willing to entertain mundane requests? :) At least for those who should be focusing on something a bit higher...
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It seems that's the demon I need the most protection from myself.
My Gelug teacher defined taking refuge as "asking for safety from your own very dangerous mind". That's not quite verbatim, but close.
Are you asking to satisfy bestiality urges or what?
Nah. But I find I've got a whole lot less inner conflict if I'm not trying to wrestle with "only asking for spiritual help". I trust her to sort out what's not appropriate for me. I'm too old and tired for internal struggle at this point. Bokar R.'s book on Green Tara goes into how that kind of trust evolves into a spiritual path.

I also like his explanation of the deity/nature of mind dichotomy. He says that if you see things dualistically then Green Tara is a deity. But since she sees things in a non-dual way she sees herself as being the same nature as your mind.

Kinda makes me think about the double slit experiment. She's Shrödinger's deity.
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Most Powerful Dharmapala?

Rahula
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lelopa wrote:Most Powerful Dharmapala?

Rahula
Nah. My most powerful Dharmapala is way more most powerful than yours.
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lelopa wrote:Most Powerful Dharmapala?

Rahula
Quite rare to find practitioners to that dangerous practice these days...
By dangerous, I mean risks without initiation and so on along with his noose around a practitioner's neck if the practice is good.
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Tenma wrote:
lelopa wrote:Most Powerful Dharmapala?

Rahula
Quite rare to find practitioners to that dangerous practice these days...
By dangerous, I mean risks without initiation and so on along with his noose around a practitioner's neck if the practice is good.
Tenma, you can't do anything without initiation in Vajrayana, it just want work. I promise.

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Tenma wrote:
lelopa wrote:Most Powerful Dharmapala?

Rahula
Quite rare to find practitioners to that dangerous practice these days...
By dangerous, I mean risks without initiation and so on along with his noose around a practitioner's neck if the practice is good.
In escence, Rahula is an expression of Vajrapani who is safe to request protection from if it's needed and since Vajrapani manifests an appearance of a Bodhisatva, you run no risk when you suplicate and rely on him in his Bodhisattva/Buddha form. As others have said, don't create a risk for yourself and potentially burn away oppprtunties for progressing in your practice - you're young, this isn't stuff you wanna mess up just because you feel righteous enough to think you know what kind of activity is needed and what the nature of that activity actually is...are you trying to defeat enemies? Destroy Spirits? Have you examined what aspects of your own emotions, karma, vows and mind might be playing with any percieved obstacles? Do you know how they correspond?

If you need something done soon, then just go to the source of the guardians, Guru Rinpoche, Vajrapani, Tara etc. If you have any hidden faults, fears or views then you'll soon find out due to their compassion and your suplications and aspirations. Thats win/win, no?
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Tenma wrote:
lelopa wrote:Most Powerful Dharmapala?

Rahula
Quite rare to find practitioners to that dangerous practice these days...
By dangerous, I mean risks without initiation and so on along with his noose around a practitioner's neck if the practice is good.
:thinking:
{quote]quite rare[/quote]
Hardly
to that dangerous practice these days
Are you practicing your melodramatic tone for a fantasy novel?

Have you received teachings and empowerments that involve the dharmapalas or not?
When you talk about power and speed of accomplishing things what specific results are you after?
These are simple questions that you haven't bothered answering.

The fact that you are asking your initial question seems to imply you don't have the requirements to do the practices (if you did, why would you need to ask?). But maybe I'm wrong. Do You?
If you can't be bothered to receive teachings and empowerments then these practices probably aren't going to be dangerous for you at all. They will just be useless LARPing, that might help you feel like you're a powerful badass, ...or something.
I say this because just receiving the information and empowerments you are talking about is pretty simple and straightforward nowadays, assuming you have the internet and desire to receive them for real, and if that is too much work, then anything beyond seems unlikely.
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as previously written - the most powerful is Dharmapala which is closely related to your Yidam practice.
However I'd recommend 6 armed Mahakala Sadbhuya (Chadrupa) daily practice as he is emanation of the mind of Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara in form of protector (also he is Lama, Yidam, Dharmapala and Dakini in one form). As one of my teacher told me in the past - "you can never go wrong with this protector, he is always protecting, always caring, always forgiving and ultimately he will bring you to Buddhahood".
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Grigoris wrote:
lelopa wrote:Most Powerful Dharmapala?

Rahula
Nah. My most powerful Dharmapala is way more most powerful than yours.
:crying:
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