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HandsomeMonkeyking
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Presence and Awareness

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Hello,

Some teachers speak about presence and others about awareness, others use both terms. Is there a difference or are this synonyms?

CNN also uses the word contemplation. What is the tibetan word he uses 'contemplation' for?

Thank you
Malcolm
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HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:Hello,

Some teachers speak about presence and others about awareness, others use both terms. Is there a difference or are this synonyms?

CNN also uses the word contemplation. What is the tibetan word he uses 'contemplation' for?

Thank you

Presence = dran pa = smṛti = mindfulness
Awareness = shes bzhin = saṃprajāna = awareness
Contemplation = ting nge 'dzin = samadhi = samadhi.


Smṛti and saṃprajāna always accompany one another. If you are being mindful, you are being aware. If you are being aware, you are being mindful.

If you are a student of ChNN, you have three main jobs:

1) Guru Yoga as a means of finding and then sustaining knowledge of your own state (rig pa).
2) Being present and aware, i.e. mindful and aware.
3) Working with circumstances.

That's it.

We can add a fourth:

Do your best.
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Malcolm wrote:
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:Hello,

Some teachers speak about presence and others about awareness, others use both terms. Is there a difference or are this synonyms?

CNN also uses the word contemplation. What is the tibetan word he uses 'contemplation' for?

Thank you

Presence = dran pa = smṛti = mindfulness
Awareness = shes bzhin = saṃprajāna = awareness
Contemplation = ting nge 'dzin = samadhi = samadhi.


Smṛti and saṃprajāna always accompany one another. If you are being mindful, you are being aware. If you are being aware, you are being mindful.

If you are a student of ChNN, you have three main jobs:

1) Guru Yoga as a means of finding and then sustaining knowledge of your own state (rig pa).
2) Being present and aware, i.e. mindful and aware.
3) Working with circumstances.

That's it.

We can add a fourth:

Do your best.
Would you say that sov is next in importance to those?
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Josef
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TaTa wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
HandsomeMonkeyking wrote:Hello,

Some teachers speak about presence and others about awareness, others use both terms. Is there a difference or are this synonyms?

CNN also uses the word contemplation. What is the tibetan word he uses 'contemplation' for?

Thank you

Presence = dran pa = smṛti = mindfulness
Awareness = shes bzhin = saṃprajāna = awareness
Contemplation = ting nge 'dzin = samadhi = samadhi.


Smṛti and saṃprajāna always accompany one another. If you are being mindful, you are being aware. If you are being aware, you are being mindful.

If you are a student of ChNN, you have three main jobs:

1) Guru Yoga as a means of finding and then sustaining knowledge of your own state (rig pa).
2) Being present and aware, i.e. mindful and aware.
3) Working with circumstances.

That's it.

We can add a fourth:

Do your best.
Would you say that sov is next in importance to those?
SOV is a method for all three.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Malcolm wrote:If you are a student of ChNN, you have three main jobs:

1) Guru Yoga as a means of finding and then sustaining knowledge of your own state (rig pa).
2) Being present and aware, i.e. mindful and aware.
3) Working with circumstances.
Hello Malcolm.

How would you describe what "working with circumstances" entails?
TaTa
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Josef wrote:
TaTa wrote:
Malcolm wrote:

Presence = dran pa = smṛti = mindfulness
Awareness = shes bzhin = saṃprajāna = awareness
Contemplation = ting nge 'dzin = samadhi = samadhi.


Smṛti and saṃprajāna always accompany one another. If you are being mindful, you are being aware. If you are being aware, you are being mindful.

If you are a student of ChNN, you have three main jobs:

1) Guru Yoga as a means of finding and then sustaining knowledge of your own state (rig pa).
2) Being present and aware, i.e. mindful and aware.
3) Working with circumstances.

That's it.

We can add a fourth:

Do your best.
Would you say that sov is next in importance to those?
SOV is a method for all three.
So yes?
Malcolm
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TaTa wrote: Would you say that sov is next in importance to those?
Song of the Vajra is a component of Guru Yoga, a support for it, if you will. So it comes in 1.
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dharmagoat wrote:
Malcolm wrote:If you are a student of ChNN, you have three main jobs:

1) Guru Yoga as a means of finding and then sustaining knowledge of your own state (rig pa).
2) Being present and aware, i.e. mindful and aware.
3) Working with circumstances.
Hello Malcolm.

How would you describe what "working with circumstances" entails?
It means understanding your life in a practical way.
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Josef
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TaTa wrote:
Josef wrote:
TaTa wrote: Would you say that sov is next in importance to those?
SOV is a method for all three.
So yes?
I wouldnt say "next", I would say it is a valuable part of all three.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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Thank you Malcolm!
Very helpful!
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