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Pls help identify this tangkha

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Vajrasattva with Amithaba over his head? Don't make much sense to me.

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Yup, Vajrasattva with Amitabha as his guru. Probably a Nepali knock-off. Got some nice gold gilding though.
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Isn't there a purification deity associated with each Buddha family? Could this be Padmasattva?
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I've noticed a trend of Amitabha popping up on a lot of random thangkas (I guess nothing wrong with that per se). I'd have to agree with Sherab Dorje, Vajrasattva w/Vajratopa, and Amitabha above.
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ClearblueSky wrote:I've noticed a trend of Amitabha popping up on a lot of random thangkas (I guess nothing wrong with that per se). I'd have to agree with Sherab Dorje, Vajrasattva w/Vajratopa, and Amitabha above.
Generally it would make sense in deities of the Amitabha family, but many formally untrained thangka painters will try and copy and get it wrong.
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Padmasattva is red.
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Whoa
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Are these bodhisattva depicted as symbolically making love, like is common in some traditional depictions? Wouldn't that mean it's not Vajrasattva and Amitabha, because there wouldn't be a gender-binary that is symbolically transgressed through the sexual union non-duality metaphor?

Then again, one could just be sitting in the others lap with no sexual meanings intended. It's just that they are so wrapped around eachother. I really don't know enough about the material at hand, that's just what occurred to me as I read the conversation and looked up who "Vajrasattva" was.
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"All formations are inconstant," he said.
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Coëmgenu wrote:Are these bodhisattva depicted as symbolically making love, like is common in some traditional depictions? Wouldn't that mean it's not Vajrasattva and Amitabha, because there wouldn't be a gender-binary that is symbolically transgressed through the sexual union non-duality metaphor?
Amitabha is the small, red dude at the very top. Vajrasattva is the main figure. His consort, on his lap, is called either Vajratopa or Vajrasattvi.
Coëmgenu wrote:Then again, one could just be sitting in the others lap with no sexual meanings intended. It's just that they are so wrapped around eachother. I really don't know enough about the material at hand, that's just what occurred to me as I read the conversation and looked up who "Vajrasattva" was.
That is a very charming idea, but I think they are doing it.
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dzogchungpa wrote:That is a very charming idea, but I think they are doing it.
Yup, they are definitely being saucy!
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