Meat Eating Mantras

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pemachophel,

That's not 'food' though... It's very common to eat chicken, beef, pork, fish, etc. but not at all common to eat human flesh. And I don't think that if I go to the store to look for human flesh, that I will find it. And chances are if I request human flesh to the store clerk, I will get some very strange stares. Possibly someone will call the police as well.
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Mother's Lap wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Boomerang wrote:
Are devas food for other devas?
No, they are not, just as humans are not food for other humans.
When they say rakshasas are cannibals, does it mean they eat each other or just because they're man-eaters?
It is because they are man eaters. Rakṣasa in fact refer to the australio-asians who plagued the sea routes between Indonesia and Madagascar and all islands in-between.

Also cannibal tribes living the Himalayas were referred to by this name.
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pemachophel wrote:Flesh from [someone] born a Brahmin seven times, anyone?
I know a guy...
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Malcolm wrote:It is because they are man eaters. Rakṣasa in fact refer to the australio-asians who plagued the sea routes between Indonesia and Madagascar and all islands in-between.

Also cannibal tribes living the Himalayas were referred to by this name.
What are the differences in character between rakshasas and yakshas in general?
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Yeah, Loppon, I know the same guy. Powerful stuff.
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Mother's Lap wrote:
Malcolm wrote:It is because they are man eaters. Rakṣasa in fact refer to the australio-asians who plagued the sea routes between Indonesia and Madagascar and all islands in-between.

Also cannibal tribes living the Himalayas were referred to by this name.
What are the differences in character between rakshasas and yakshas in general?
Different class of being. The latter are spirits, the former are human cannibals.
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Malcolm wrote:
pemachophel wrote:Flesh from [someone] born a Brahmin seven times, anyone?
I know a guy...
pemachophel wrote:Yeah, Loppon, I know the same guy. Powerful stuff.
What are you guys talking about?
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Malcolm wrote:
And if it really is so simple for lay people to make a good connection dead animals, why do some Tibetan Buddhists act like these methods don't exist? Is it a sectarian thing?
Lack of confidence in themselves as well as the teachings.
But aren't there high ranking teachers who discourage meat eating and never mention these dharanis and mantras? Why do they prefer not to inform people?
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Boomerang wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
And if it really is so simple for lay people to make a good connection dead animals, why do some Tibetan Buddhists act like these methods don't exist? Is it a sectarian thing?
Lack of confidence in themselves as well as the teachings.
But aren't there high ranking teachers who discourage meat eating and never mention these dharanis and mantras? Why do they prefer not to inform people?
I can only tell you what my teacher says. Frankly, I don't much care about what other teachers says, whether high ranking or not.
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I would like to know which mantra for meat eating is dharani from sutras and can be recited without transmission.
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haak0n wrote:I would like to know which mantra for meat eating is dharani from sutras and can be recited without transmission.
They're linked in the first post. "Om Mani Padme Hum" repeated seven times is one of them.
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I have red ''om ahbirakay tsara hung'' mantra from internet. Does it need transmission?
AH AAH SHA SA MA HA. Does it need transmission?
Om mani peme hung (hree/shree). Is this right pronouncing? Does it need transmission?
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pael wrote:I have red ''om ahbirakay tsara hung'' mantra from internet. Does it need transmission?
AH AAH SHA SA MA HA. Does it need transmission?
Om mani peme hung (hree/shree). Is this right pronouncing? Does it need transmission?
Hi Pael - apparently no one responded on this.

Technically all mantras require transmission. However there are some common mantras that anyone can recite (and are encouraged to) and get transmission for later. The six syllable mantra of Avalokiteshvara is one of these - OM MANI PEDME HUNG - ཨོཾ་མ་ཎི་པདྨེ་ཧཱུྂ༔

AH AAH SHA SA MA HA requires lung at least, at least in Palyul.

It appears that there is no fault in practicing om ahbirakay tsara hung over meat. At least several Gelug teachers have publicized the practice.

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another method is closely connected with Yidam practice, you visualise yourself in form of Yidam and you perform visualisation of fire puja. Fire being your mouth and hands being "spoons", meat (or any other food or drinks) are offered to fire and you imagine that through connection sentient beings are being liberated in heart chakra (or wherever you place seed syllable for your Yidam practice) and are being placed in pure land. Of course one should have any experience with fire pujas before and being stable in your Yidam practice.
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Something I think missing from the posts on this subject (or maybe I just missed it). Can someone explain how meat eating would be skill full within a Buddha dharma perspective?

In Theravada monks will eat meat if it is given unless they know it was specifically killed for them.

In Zen in traditions like Gyobutsuji Zen Monastery in America and Antaiji in Japan the diets are completely vegetarian though if meat is given the offering is not disgraced by not receiving the intention is honored for aiding the sangha.

So I am kind of curious how in the Tantric tradition meat and such could be viewed as skill full and or profitable, and that is a honest inquiry no judgement here just a curiousity in understanding the tradition better.

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As I don't possess any magical powers, nor I am in any way realised, I find it much easier NOT to eat meat.

In addition, saving lives in my limited experience is much powerful practice than using so called meat-mantras.
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_R_ wrote:As I don't possess any magical powers, nor I am in any way realised, I find it much easier NOT to eat meat.

In addition, saving lives in my limited experience is much powerful practice than using so called meat-mantras.
I think that would be how I would see it as well but I am open to understanding the depth of this practice. I feel it should be open to the practitioners to detail the content of their position.

However I think you did nail the simple and profound view of directness ;)

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CedarTree wrote: I feel it should be open to the practitioners to detail the content of their position.
This has been explained and discussed ad nauseam in the Great Vegetarian Debate thread. This topic here is more for people who believe that saying Mantras for the dead animal actually does have a positive effect. I can't imagine that anybody here is willing to go into this endless debate all over again.
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emaho wrote:
CedarTree wrote: I feel it should be open to the practitioners to detail the content of their position.
This has been explained and discussed ad nauseam in the Great Vegetarian Debate thread. This topic here is more for people who believe that saying Mantras for the dead animal actually does have a positive effect. I can't imagine that anybody here is willing to go into this endless debate all over again.
Not about a debate if it is good or bad in general. Looking for the Tantra understanding and the understanding of these mantras in a larger context.

Like I said above this isn't coming from a judgemental place, I earnestly want to understand the tradition a bit more in this regard.

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