kalden yungdrung wrote:- What do you think did the Greece import the 5th element Aither, from the Buddhist emptiness philosophy?
Who knows? Apparently the Hellenic five element system is pre-Socratic (Aristotelean) and Aristotle died in 322BC. That is about 160 years before the invasion of Bactria and India. Now, of course, there may well have been contact between Ancient Hellenes and Indians before Alexander the Great's military conquest, but I don't know how much evidence exists of this contact. Actually Plato (427-347 BC) was one of the first Ancient Greek philosophers to mention the existence of ether, but he did not include it in the four elements model. That was almost 300 years before Alexander the Great headed on his merry way.
Thanks for your replies.
The Buddha was "born" before the date (427-347 BC Plato) namely around 563 BCE,
So it could be eventually possible that the Greece , by trade came in contact with the knowledge about the 5th element namely aither. Typical of the Greece elements is that here is missing the 6th Buddhist element consciousness.
Even if the Greece took out of the Abhidharma the 5th element, the 6th namely consciousness is missing in the Greece philosophy.
So as before where did Plato got his knowledge about that 5th element, because it was added to the before existing 4 elements.
The Atom theory is also a remarkable "Greece" discovery.
Greek philosophers Leucippus and Democritus first developed the concept of the atom in the 5th century B.C.E.
Like we see it is also discovered in the time of early Buddhism, maybe there is a link between Leucippus and Democritus and India / Buddhism / Abhidharma.
The theory of atoms maybe also known known in the Abhidharma ?
Both systems [Sānkhya and later Indian Buddhism] share in common a tendency to push the analysis of Existence up to its minutest, last elements which are imagined as absolute qualities, or things possessing only one unique quality. They are called "qualities" (guna-dharma) in both systems in the sense of absolute qualities, a kind of atomic, or intra-atomic, energies of which the empirical things are composed.
Samkya has also the enumeration philosophy of the elements (The Tattvas)
Here we have also the 5th element. The Greece could have 2 ways to get in contact with this element namely the Buddhist source or the Samkya source.
But remarkable is that this Samkya system of enumeration is also present in the Greece philosophy, Have read it one time but forgot who was the writer..... Maybe Pytagoras ?
Here again it could be very good possible that the theory of the atoms was too imported out of India and happened by mostly trade.
Therefore i always was wondering myself why the Greece have been so clever in those days.
In case the Greece did import those things out of India etc. then the European culture would partly be based on Buddhist philosophy.