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What’s the logic behind Zuck being a Trumpster? Just because they’re active on his platform?

I don’t know much about Zuck’s politics, but he sounds pretty lefty on most issues: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg
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dharmafootsteps wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:45 pm What’s the logic behind Zuck being a Trumpster? Just because they’re active on his platform?

I don’t know much about Zuck’s politics, but he sounds pretty lefty on most issues: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg



Zuck hates regulation, so does Trump.
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Malcolm wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:38 pm
Jesse wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:30 pm
His attempt at a coup was merely incidental to his banning, it served as a convenient reason for it, nothing more.
It was the cause of his being banned from Twitter, it wasn't merely incidental. BTW, I think you've confused FB and Twitter. Twitter, definitely liberal. FB, home of the Trumpsters.
the coup attempt was not over after the election either,
Correct, the election was on November 3rd, the insurrection was on January 6th. He continued to press his false claims after his term was up and he still does.
the only reason trump isn't in office right now is because the old guard republicans ditched him, Cheney, Bush, Pence, McConnell type republicans.
Well, no. The reason he is not in office is because he lost the election, and everyone in the Gvt. did their jobs, like they were supposed to do, according to the law.
Had they fully supported his election stealing claims, and doubled down, we'd be under a Trump dictatorship ATM.
But they didn't and they wouldn't, for a number of reasons, the principal one being that what Trump wanted was illegal, and they swore an oath to the Constitution, not to Trump.
Trump would not be banned from Social media.
Seems like you are pretty angry that Trump is not permitted on these platforms. Why is that?
The law is written by those who claim power, by whatever means they can, lawful or not.

Yes, I am obviously a Trump Supporter in disguise. I am stating facts.

I could care less who's in office atm, because neither of the candidates represented my, nor the majority of anyone else's actual interests. Bernie sanders was about the only candidate who did.
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Jesse wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:50 pm
I am stating facts.
No, you are not. You are stating opinions.
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Jesse wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:50 pm
The law is written by those who claim power, by whatever means they can, lawful or not.
No, that is really not the case. But it is cynicism like yours that contributes to the decline of democracy, rather that strengthens and reinforces it. And that is exactly what people like Trump want to see. They want to see you alienated, angry, and feeling that your vote and voice do not matter. That's how they win, every damn time.
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Jesse wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:50 pm Bernie sanders was about the only candidate who did.
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Malcolm wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:53 pm They want to see you alienated, angry, and feeling that your vote and voice do not matter. That's how they win, every damn time.
Yeah. Most sociopaths are extremely competitive and need to be #1 in everything. And I’m sure Trump despises people who are just like him, ironically enough.
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Malcolm wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:53 pm
Jesse wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:50 pm
The law is written by those who claim power, by whatever means they can, lawful or not.
No, that is really not the case. But it is cynicism like yours that contributes to the decline of democracy, rather that strengthens and reinforces it. And that is exactly what people like Trump want to see. They want to see you alienated, angry, and feeling that your vote and voice do not matter. That's how they win, every damn time.
Cynicism ceases being cynicism the moment the world proves you right 90+% of the time, then it's just reality.

I voted for Biden because he was the lesser of the two evils, and I'd do it again. That doesn't mean a damned thing, the DNC is every bit as evil as the RNC. They are power strongholds that represent interests that do not align with regular peoples. They represent the rich, the elite, corporations.
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Jesse wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:30 pm
Cynicism ceases being cynicism the moment the world proves you right 90+% of the time, then it's just reality.
So you feel you are right, 90+% percent of the time. Man, I wish I had that confidence about the world. The older I get, the more I understand that I don't know very much.
I voted for Biden because he was the lesser of the two evils, and I'd do it again. That doesn't mean a damned thing, the DNC is every bit as evil as the RNC.
We live in a two party system. It's not by design, but it just works out that way. The DNC is not the Democratic Party, and I am not a Democrat. However, the Democratic party is far, far better than the GOP. If you don't see that...
They are power strongholds that represent interests that do not align with regular peoples. They represent the rich, the elite, corporations.
You have a vote and a voice. If it matters so much to you, then use them. Don't just bitch about these things on Dharmawheel. Democracy is slow, it is messy, and often dissatisfying to those who want thing to change overnight. But it works.
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Malcolm wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:13 pm
Jesse wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:50 pm Bernie sanders was about the only candidate who did.
Yeah this is a distinction that I think a lot of people who have never been directly in civil service or government don’t understand.

There are actually decent people in politics at many levels, and there are even people who win substantial victories. Without these people things would be even worse.

It’s worth it occasionally to contemplate these people, instead of just wallowing in despair and saying’f it’.

The real opportunists, the scariest ones are the ones who know how to weaponize despair
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For the past eight years Norway has had a Christian Democratic Party / Liberal Party / Conservative Party (and also Progress Party the first four years) coalition government. This is a right-wing government. On Monday election came to its conclusion, and Labour Party / Centre Party / Socialist Left Party will form new government. Red Party had a phenomenal election, and Green Party also had a good election (though could've done better). The three parties will now likely get support from Red Party and Green Party where necessary. So, aside from a hard switch towards the left, as I mentioned, consider Red Party. From having just one single politician in parliament, after this election, there will be ten.

This is change. It doesn't happen overnight. Yes, elections are very important. But the build-up to elections is everything else, happening on random regular days, each and every week, by doing your service to democracy, at a grassroots level, in trying to make change.

Cynicism, despair, hopelessness, and so on does absolutely nothing. Fighting for the cause does.
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But…
THE CAT VIDEOS!!!!!
EMPTIFUL.
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Honestly, some of the most interesting and wise and discerning people I have found on Facebook. Social media is what you make of it.
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Nadereme wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:16 am Honestly, some of the most interesting and wise and discerning people I have found on Facebook. Social media is what you make of it.
I disagree, many people behind their conception confessed that its design and features are based on addictive mechanisms in order to draw the attention of the user and to keep him grappled for the longest time possible, regardless of his physical well being and psychological condition.

When you add to that irresponsible parenting, or the whole society for that matter ("You don't have social media?! Why?!?!") allowing or even encouraging people, especially children whose personality is thoroughly malleable and easily influenciable, to spend hours and hours each day on a platform whose addictive character underlies and validates the display of rampant narcissism and the shallowness of appearances, promoting profilicity instead of authenticity, as well as second-hand experience in detriment of actual living, whilst substantially drawing down their attention span and submerging them in meaningless content, you're not giving them a chance to develop and mature naturally as human beings. Hence why problems such as anxiety, depression and suicide are at an all-time high.

It's nefarious and it ought to be ended, since it cannot be regulated.
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PadmaVonSamba wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:39 pm But…
THE CAT VIDEOS!!!!!
OK that's a great argument: The cat videos. They are important, and the Internet wouldn't be the same without cat videos, so if Facebook disappears, would cat videos disappear? No. That's not the case at all. You have better sources for that, such as Twitter, YouTube, Reddit, imgur, TikTok, and more. So, don't worry. We can shut down Facebook, and still keep our lovely cat videos!
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A real red flag should be the fact that people Say “I’m going to go off of Facebook” or “I’m going to take a break from Facebook” as though they are ending a relationship With a boyfriend or girlfriend
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Svalaksana wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:08 am
Nadereme wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:16 am Honestly, some of the most interesting and wise and discerning people I have found on Facebook. Social media is what you make of it.
I disagree, many people behind their conception confessed that its design and features are based on addictive mechanisms in order to draw the attention of the user and to keep him grappled for the longest time possible, regardless of his physical well being and psychological condition.

When you add to that irresponsible parenting, or the whole society for that matter ("You don't have social media?! Why?!?!") allowing or even encouraging people, especially children whose personality is thoroughly malleable and easily influenciable, to spend hours and hours each day on a platform whose addictive character underlies and validates the display of rampant narcissism and the shallowness of appearances, promoting profilicity instead of authenticity, as well as second-hand experience in detriment of actual living, whilst substantially drawing down their attention span and submerging them in meaningless content, you're not giving them a chance to develop and mature naturally as human beings. Hence why problems such as anxiety, depression and suicide are at an all-time high.

It's nefarious and it ought to be ended, since it cannot be regulated.
This comes across as fear mongering. You’re acting like the medium is inherently bad. People react and respond differently to whatever exposure. Yes there can be deception and propaganda and narcissistic displays, but there are also helpful/useful areas as well. It’s not black or white.
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Nadereme wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:44 pm You’re acting like the medium is inherently bad.
It is.

You might read "In Absence of the Sacred: The Failure of Technology and the Survival of the Indian Nations by Jerry Mander.
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Malcolm wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:29 pm
Nadereme wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:44 pm You’re acting like the medium is inherently bad.
It is.

You might read "In Absence of the Sacred: The Failure of Technology and the Survival of the Indian Nations by Jerry Mander.
Or the unibomber manifest.
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