What are your thoughts on DMT and the entities people claim to encounter?

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dharmafootsteps wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:31 pm
krodha wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:32 pm I interacted with a mushroom spirit a few months ago, luckily she was kind and just wanted to share information. These spirits are definitely out there.
When taking mushrooms?
Yes.
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Once, i smoked a low dose of pure DMT. It gave me a spacious feeling with colorful dots and lines filling the room. A couple of years later i had a somewhat stronger experience of the natural state than usual. The two main differences while on DMT was that my mind/body was feeling high and my mind not in rigpa but marigpa. But for the spacious and hallucinatory part it was very a like.
So i would say that DMT in low doses might trigger events which may give a taste of what thodgal practice feels and looks like, without the fundament of trekchod. But it does not bring your mind into rigpa, which is actually the thing it is about. Bringing your mind into rigpa cannot be forced by psychedelics in my opinion. I have read the book ayahuasca, it reported about a man who was convinced being in the same state buddha, jesus and other important historic figures spoke about. But after the trip ended he was not able to enter it without the drug. This resulted him being dependent taking the drug to think he was doing a spiritual practice without ever realizing the thing it is really about.
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Dzongsar Khyentse talking about his Ayahuasca experiences.

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I listened this this interesting interview today with the author of "The Body Keeps the Score," Bessel Van Der Kolk. Among other alternative therapies, he talks about the benefits of MDMA in healing trauma and personal limitations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/24/opin ... -kolk.html
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I had a LSD break through when i was 23. It was nice.
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SilenceMonkey wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:03 am I listened this this interesting interview today with the author of "The Body Keeps the Score," Bessel Van Der Kolk. Among other alternative therapies, he talks about the benefits of MDMA in healing trauma and personal limitations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/24/opin ... -kolk.html
There is no doubt that these kinds of drugs, when used as MEDICINE, can be beneficial. It is when they are used for pure recreation, for example, in hot sweaty dance clubs, that things become more dicey, or as "therapy" by unscrupulous new agers who have no clue what they are doing:

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SilenceMonkey wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:03 am I listened this this interesting interview today with the author of "The Body Keeps the Score," Bessel Van Der Kolk. Among other alternative therapies, he talks about the benefits of MDMA in healing trauma and personal limitations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/24/opin ... -kolk.html
I don’t think anyone in relevant fields disputes that there is some compelling evidence for these substances with trauma treatment. That really has nothing to do with using them as recreational drugs though.

It’s the same thing with Marijuana. It has some therapeutic uses that are indisputable at this point. However, packing some potent frankenweed in a bong and ripping away, or blasting your brain with nearly pure THC via dabs have absolutely nothing to with those therapeutic uses. It may as well be a different substance.
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Agree 100% with JD’s comments ... gotta get away from the “wake and bake” crowd... but therapeutics and research is the way to go if it can get over that crowd. Also cut out the Terrance Mc crowd ... there are no trip gurus... shaman ‘s etc ...
This is chemistry... not epistemology..
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What I mean is if philosophy wants to get involved on the tail end.. as a means of therapy .. that’s fine but it should be defined as such ... a therapeutic aspect of the bio/chemical therapy ... not the precursor for suchness.

Drugs should not become a curiosity...
But solid concrete knowledge and applied in a scientific way.. with purpose and control.. like all pharmaceuticals.
Targeted... precise and scientifically defined.
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Matt J wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:14 pm I’ve listened to a lot of these tales over the years, and while they seem profound to the person at the time, they seldom are to anyone else (unless the person happens to be a no kidding Tribal shaman). In that way, it seems like a karmic dream.

This series is pretty entertaining though:



Pretty crazy if it’s true that his friend met the same purple woman without having previously been told about her.
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one tragic case
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Toenail wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:23 pm

one tragic case
He seems just fine now.
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Malcolm wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:51 pm
Toenail wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:23 pm

one tragic case
He seems just fine now.
Yeah, that was my thought as well. Anyone doing heavy duty psychedelics like DMT (or Ahyausaca) every "two hours" for an extended period could do some permanent damage, I suppose....and I have always believed that psychedelics can be contraindicated in people with tendencies toward schizophrenia, etc.
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Toenail wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm Dzongsar Khyentse talking about his Ayahuasca experiences.

Brazil claims another victim. I'm scared of all these witches they have here. They are really powerful.
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