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last post ..

and for those of you thinking I'm only doing all this for some sort of attention grab...

i swear on my lottery luck...i buy tickets...i swear on my lotto luck that if i am making this up may i forever not only never win the lotto but live in worst poverty ever...and get cancer ...and have my testicles not work again...
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And if they did indeed cure my father of waldenstrom's macro globulin anaemia after having his bone marrow dead for over two years...it comeing bacl to life...freaking out doctors...having CBC interview him on radio....

it proves they are benevolent...and not here to like use as as slaves or anything bad...
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An interesting post Tharpa Chodren, it cuts through the “tinfoil hat” material.

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Giovanni wrote: Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:44 pm An interesting post Tharpa Chodren, it cuts through the “tinfoil hat” material.

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how so.

His main concern is how the whole world would react to a drone from outer space.

it only feeds into the possibilities.
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Malcolm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 pm
Aemilius wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:35 am There is no objective reality that everyone will see, perceive and believe.
There is an empirical reality that sane people agree upon. Many people see two moons, but there is only one.
In the Apoha and Yogachara view of the arising of perception we have imprints in our (alaya)consciousness, these imprints become activated when a sense-perception arrives through our sense-doors. The imprints are projected onto the perceptions, and we see these imprints as outer independent objects. We think that we see objective reality, which is not quite true, or not true at all.

The outer world, that is agreed to be normal in a given society, is wholly dependent on the values and habitual thoughts of the society. These habitual thoughts and their corresponding outer realities have gone through enormous variation through centuries and millennia. They also vary considerably depending on the location, country, language, culture and subculture that you happen to belong to.

Do you see angels, spirits, bigfoot, yetis, etc..? Do you categorically deny the experience of persons whose world differs from what you experience? People's experiences in different time periods and cultures are never the same.
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Aemilius wrote: Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:39 pm
Malcolm wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:12 pm
Aemilius wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:35 am There is no objective reality that everyone will see, perceive and believe.
There is an empirical reality that sane people agree upon. Many people see two moons, but there is only one.
In the Apoha and Yogachara view of the arising of perception we have imprints in our (alaya)consciousness, these imprints become activated when a sense-perception arrives through our sense-doors. The imprints are projected onto the perceptions, and we see these imprints as outer independent objects. We think that we see objective reality, which is not quite true, or not true at all.
Yes. But Yogacāra etc., are lower tenet systems.
Do you see angels, spirits, bigfoot, yetis, etc..? Do you categorically deny the experience of persons whose world differs from what you experience? People's experiences in different time periods and cultures are never the same.
In order for the beings of the six realms to see the same liquid substance as amṛta, water, etc., there has to be a liquid substance that exists separate from their perception of said substance.

One does not reject the existence of outer objects, one merely rejects the idea that outer objects exist inherently.

To bring it back around to the topic: It is certain that someone is seeing something. But whether that is some kind of extra-terrestrial phenomena or craft or some unexplained terrestrial phenomena or secret tech is unknown by anyone on this forum.
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The Disclosure Project - Dr. Steven Greer - 2001 ... 2021

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I tried to organize the activities of the Disclosure Project and Dr. Steven Greer since 2001.

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Marco Rubio is Taking UFOs Seriously and He Thinks You Should Too

Senator Marco Rubio believes the truth is out there and he wants to get past the UFO jokes to make sure the national security of the United States isn't threatened in any way, he told Newsweek.

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Malcolm wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:41 am
Must have been late to the drone pick-up spot. Now it has to walk home.
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I'm not sure why so many people are resistant to the idea of extraterrestrial life. We are here. We exist. Right? The conditions required for life to develop, evolve, and thrive are fairly well understood now. Stars produce heavy elements needed for chemistry to happen, Chemistry becomes the basic building blocks of life, the basic building blocks evolve into organisms of higher complexity evolved to best suit their environments. Higher cognitive functions(human like intelligence) are such that they allow an organism to adapt, and survive in a large variety of environments. It seems natural to assume that life that followed a similar evolutionary path as us exists elsewhere in the universe, and considering just how big the universe is, I'd say chances are high they exist.

Militaries have been taking UFOs/UAPs very seriously for several decades, it's just now they have stopped hiding it from the public. I don't know the reasons they chose to do so. It could be they simply want to open the door for real scientists to examine the phenomena, or perhaps they want to use it as a way to cover up other issues. Who's gonna read about that thing they wanna cover up, when you know, Aliens?

Several of the videos circulating out there are pretty convincing though, and the guy who published them claimed that the videos are grainy, because the military intentionally reduces the quality of the videos to obfuscate details about the quality/nature of their surveillance equipment, as the details of this equipment is classified.

For example during Trumps administration, Trump posted satellite photos on twitter, and he did so without permission.. He posted them in their full glorious detail, this caused a huge international incident, which resulted in the decommissioning of an expensive satellite. All that from merely posting a picture showing the full quality of the militaries surveillance equipment. You can read about that story here if you missed it when it happened.
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Jesse wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:17 am I'm not sure why so many people are resistant to the idea of extraterrestrial life. We are here. We exist. Right? The conditions required for life to develop, evolve, and thrive are fairly well understood now. Stars produce heavy elements needed for chemistry to happen, Chemistry becomes the basic building blocks of life, the basic building blocks evolve into organisms of higher complexity evolved to best suit their environments. Higher cognitive functions(human like intelligence) are such that they allow an organism to adapt, and survive in a large variety of environments. It seems natural to assume that life that followed a similar evolutionary path as us exists elsewhere in the universe, and considering just how big the universe is, I'd say chances are high they exist.

Militaries have been taking UFOs/UAPs very seriously for several decades, it's just now they have stopped hiding it from the public. I don't know the reasons they chose to do so. It could be they simply want to open the door for real scientists to examine the phenomena, or perhaps they want to use it as a way to cover up other issues. Who's gonna read about that thing they wanna cover up, when you know, Aliens?

Several of the videos circulating out there are pretty convincing though, and the guy who published them claimed that the videos are grainy, because the military intentionally reduces the quality of the videos to obfuscate details about the quality/nature of their surveillance equipment, as the details of this equipment is classified.

For example during Trumps administration, Trump posted satellite photos on twitter, and he did so without permission.. He posted them in their full glorious detail, this caused a huge international incident, which resulted in the decommissioning of an expensive satellite. All that from merely posting a picture showing the full quality of the militaries surveillance equipment. You can read about that story here if you missed it when it happened.
I don't think anyone's resistant to the idea that there is extraterrestrial life. Actually I think everyone on this thread thinks there is such a thing. Statistically it is pretty much a certainty, given what we know of the side of the observable universe. And what you say about the quality of intelligence-sourced footage is absolutely correct - this is one of the reasons that the search for the vanished Malaysian flight foundered, because no country was willing to reveal how accurate their signals intelligence was.

The issue is more a common-sense one. Crossing interstellar space is really, really hard - and unless technology is discovered that fundamentally contravenes what we understand about modern physics, it may well be impossible due to basic constraints of energy requirements etc. Any intelligence that is capable of crossing interstellar space is so far beyond us that we cannot reasonably speculate about its motivations, but in any case, it would not be caught by accident on air force cameras: it would choose either to be seen or not. So this raises all sorts of questions about the plausibility of a scenario in which there's sporadic, secretive contact, we become aware of them without their consent, etc. The hypothetical answers offered for these questions are, frankly, a long way from convincing.

Of course a standard retort to the technical challenges is to say that technology we have now is, by the standards of a century ago, inconceivable. But that's not quite true. Everything we have and know now was definitely not inconceivable by the standards of physics and engineering as understood then - it lay squarely within the rules, it just hadn't been discovered, like some chess opening that Kasparov understood but Capablanca hadn't yet encountered. What we'd need for interstellar travel to be possible is a very long way beyond the rules as we understand them now.
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PeterC wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:23 am The issue is more a common-sense one. Crossing interstellar space is really, really hard - and unless technology is discovered that fundamentally contravenes what we understand about modern physics, it may well be impossible due to basic constraints of energy requirements etc. Any intelligence that is capable of crossing interstellar space is so far beyond us that we cannot reasonably speculate about its motivations, but in any case, it would not be caught by accident on air force cameras: it would choose either to be seen or not. So this raises all sorts of questions about the plausibility of a scenario in which there's sporadic, secretive contact, we become aware of them without their consent, etc. The hypothetical answers offered for these questions are, frankly, a long way from convincing.

Of course a standard retort to the technical challenges is to say that technology we have now is, by the standards of a century ago, inconceivable. But that's not quite true. Everything we have and know now was definitely not inconceivable by the standards of physics and engineering as understood then - it lay squarely within the rules, it just hadn't been discovered, like some chess opening that Kasparov understood but Capablanca hadn't yet encountered. What we'd need for interstellar travel to be possible is a very long way beyond the rules as we understand them now.
Fifty years ago the kind of computing we have today seemed impossible. In the Lotus Sutra, an ancient text, it is written how Bodhisattvas from far away Buddha lands appeared directly in front of the congregation at Holy Eagle Peak. Returning back to Buddhism, and Buddhist Cosmology, it is clearly stated how Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, as well as Gods travel in between realms which can be considered as aspects of our planetary systems inbetween stars, Universes, and even Time itself. If such means of travel were taught to modern humanity, once the bad elements of our society could no longer exploit them, our humanity could go very far in Dharmic evolution traveling throughout the cosmos.
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PeterC wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:23 am
Jesse wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:17 am I'm not sure why ....
The issue is more a common-sense one. Crossing interstellar space is really, really hard - and unless technology is discovered that fundamentally contravenes what we understand about modern physics, it may well be impossible due to basic constraints of energy requirements etc. Any intelligence that is capable of crossing interstellar space is so far beyond us that we cannot reasonably speculate about its motivations, but in any case, it would not be caught by accident on air force cameras: it would choose either to be seen or not. So this raises all sorts of questions about the plausibility of a scenario in which there's sporadic, secretive contact, we become aware of them without their consent, etc. The hypothetical answers offered for these questions are, frankly, a long way from convincing.

Of course a standard retort to the technical challenges is to say that technology we have now is, by the standards of a century ago, inconceivable. But that's not quite true. Everything we have and know now was definitely not inconceivable by the standards of physics and engineering as understood then - it lay squarely within the rules, it just hadn't been discovered, like some chess opening that Kasparov understood but Capablanca hadn't yet encountered. What we'd need for interstellar travel to be possible is a very long way beyond the rules as we understand them now.
As you previously said:
Any intelligence that is capable of crossing interstellar space is so far beyond us that we cannot reasonably speculate about its motivations
but in any case, it would not be caught by accident on air force cameras
Do we as humans care that animals observe us as we hack down jungles, and build super farms/parking lots? A species at that level of advancement may not perceive us as anything more than the local wildlife. Monkeys. Ants. Even when throwing our full scientific knowledge to bear, we may appear to them as ants.

But you are right, any behavior by an alien species with that level of capability is way beyond our speculations.
Of course a standard retort to the technical challenges is to say that technology we have now is, by the standards of a century ago, inconceivable. But that's not quite true. Everything we have and know now was definitely not inconceivable by the standards of physics and engineering as understood then - it lay squarely within the rules, it just hadn't been discovered, like some chess opening that Kasparov understood but Capablanca hadn't yet encountered. What we'd need for interstellar travel to be possible is a very long way beyond the rules as we understand them now.
Many in the tech community believe that technological advancement accelerates, and at a certain point along the curve there is a singularity; this revolution is currently underway. You can call it the 4th industrial revolution, but as far as technologists see it; it's the very last scientific revolution, or put another way we will over the next 20-30 years experience simultaneously a 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th,..... scientific revolution. The set-off point is Advanced Artificial intelligence, combined with massive scaled computing centers, Quantum Computing etc. AI advanced into AGI(Artifical general intelligence), which advances into ASI.(Artificial super-intelligence)

Currently, the fastest supercomputer in the world is Fugaku, a supercomputer in japan which has claimed the first world record for Exa-scale computing. ( 1.5 - 3 Exaflops )

This level of computing literally allows for physics simulations so accurate and detailed, that companies can outright skip prototyping, and testing of products before manufacturing them for mass sale. They can simulate physics for entire weather systems, air movement in large buildings, outdoor venues and such. This sort of processing power, combined with superhuman artificial intelligence allows for super-fast technical progress to occur, completely without human intervention, or monitoring. We could easily move forward in progress by several thousands of years, in only a few decades.(1000's of years using our current understanding of the speed of technical progress.)

So while traditionally predicting the future of technology has been at least somewhat possible, if there is such a technological/scientific knowledge singularity, then we simply can not know the sort of advancements that will be possible; even within the timescale of our own lifetimes.

https://tauzero.aero/making-progress/propulsion-ideas/

This organization is headed by an ex-NASA Engineer, and is linked to by NASA on their (Is faster than light travel possible? Page) They take seriously the development of interstellar travel, even though many physicists and engineers do not.

I wouldn't go so far as to speculate about their activity, but I absolutely believe extraterrestrial ships have visited our planet.
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Humans may think to be superior. That is demonstration of dream.
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Jesse wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 6:53 am Many in the tech community believe…
Silicon Valley technobabble. Also not really the issue here. making a computer that can do more things is very different from going beyond basic laws of physics. The suggestion that interstellar travel is even possible is nothing more than unfounded speculation. So the aliens can do something that insanely difficult, but get caught by a few guys on mopeds hurrying back to their ship? It’s all a bit silly.
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US intelligence officials have no evidence confirming Navy pilot UFO encounters were alien spacecraft
Washington (CNN)US intelligence officials have found no evidence confirming that unidentified flying objects encountered by US Navy pilots in recent years were alien spacecraft but also have not reached a definitive assessment as to what these mysterious objects might be, according to five sources familiar with the findings of an upcoming report on UFOs that is expected to be delivered to Congress later this month.

According to three of those sources, the report does not however rule out the possibility they are alien spacecraft.
While that uncertainty is likely a blow to the hopes of UFO enthusiasts who were hoping for definitive proof of extraterrestrial life, it does not minimize the significance of the report, especially given what sources describe as a years-long battle inside the Pentagon over whether even to acknowledge what are now hundreds of unexplained sightings by US military personnel.

The New York Times was first to publish details of the upcoming report.

US officials also cannot rule out the possibility that these flying objects were aircraft belonging to American adversaries, namely Russia and China -- a potentially more troublesome conclusion that raises a host of potential national security concerns, one of the sources said.

However, the forthcoming report is expected to conclude that the objects are not secret American technology, the source added.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/03/poli ... index.html
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For me the greatest mystery is why Dharma students who are aware of Samsara should be so interested in other Samsaric beings.
Surely there are better uses for the time allotted to our precious human birth?
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Norwegian wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:11 pm US intelligence officials have no evidence confirming Navy pilot UFO encounters were alien spacecraft
Washington (CNN)US intelligence officials have found no evidence confirming that unidentified flying objects encountered by US Navy pilots in recent years were alien spacecraft but also have not reached a definitive assessment as to what these mysterious objects might be, according to five sources familiar with the findings of an upcoming report on UFOs that is expected to be delivered to Congress later this month.

According to three of those sources, the report does not however rule out the possibility they are alien spacecraft.
While that uncertainty is likely a blow to the hopes of UFO enthusiasts who were hoping for definitive proof of extraterrestrial life, it does not minimize the significance of the report, especially given what sources describe as a years-long battle inside the Pentagon over whether even to acknowledge what are now hundreds of unexplained sightings by US military personnel.

The New York Times was first to publish details of the upcoming report.

US officials also cannot rule out the possibility that these flying objects were aircraft belonging to American adversaries, namely Russia and China -- a potentially more troublesome conclusion that raises a host of potential national security concerns, one of the sources said.

However, the forthcoming report is expected to conclude that the objects are not secret American technology, the source added.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/03/poli ... index.html
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Malcolm wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:27 pm
Norwegian wrote: Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:11 pm US intelligence officials have no evidence confirming Navy pilot UFO encounters were alien spacecraft
Washington (CNN)US intelligence officials have found no evidence confirming that unidentified flying objects encountered by US Navy pilots in recent years were alien spacecraft but also have not reached a definitive assessment as to what these mysterious objects might be, according to five sources familiar with the findings of an upcoming report on UFOs that is expected to be delivered to Congress later this month.

According to three of those sources, the report does not however rule out the possibility they are alien spacecraft.
While that uncertainty is likely a blow to the hopes of UFO enthusiasts who were hoping for definitive proof of extraterrestrial life, it does not minimize the significance of the report, especially given what sources describe as a years-long battle inside the Pentagon over whether even to acknowledge what are now hundreds of unexplained sightings by US military personnel.

The New York Times was first to publish details of the upcoming report.

US officials also cannot rule out the possibility that these flying objects were aircraft belonging to American adversaries, namely Russia and China -- a potentially more troublesome conclusion that raises a host of potential national security concerns, one of the sources said.

However, the forthcoming report is expected to conclude that the objects are not secret American technology, the source added.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/03/poli ... index.html
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