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Bugs on the lens?
I think that's the most reasonable explanation. Otherwise, I would have to seriously change my worldview.
Maybe I'll start making a house out of mashed potatoes.
I think that's the most reasonable explanation. Otherwise, I would have to seriously change my worldview.
Maybe I'll start making a house out of mashed potatoes.
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And they still don't present anything that remotely resembles a fact apart from grainy Airforce photos, etc.
I am quite certain there is life on other planets in the universe, even intelligent life.
But there is absolutely no empirical evidence that has been produced by anyone that we have been visited by intelligent beings from another solar system, etc.
And if there was such evidence, the first human instinct would be to destroy such beings.
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I see no point to speculation about this. If we assume that aliens exist there is no possibility that they can help us with the only thing that is really important. Which is to realise our Original Mind.
No amount of biological or technology evolution will produce a Buddha on its own, and we have all we need from thevBuddhas of our world system. We just need to practice it.
No amount of biological or technology evolution will produce a Buddha on its own, and we have all we need from thevBuddhas of our world system. We just need to practice it.
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Without evidence you have supposition, assumption, guesswork. You certainly can’t tell anyone you have truth, because you simply don’t know.
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100% this.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:04 pmAnd they still don't present anything that remotely resembles a fact apart from grainy Airforce photos, etc.
I am quite certain there is life on other planets in the universe, even intelligent life.
But there is absolutely no empirical evidence that has been produced by anyone that we have been visited by intelligent beings from another solar system, etc.
And if there was such evidence, the first human instinct would be to destroy such beings.
Of all the UFO stories I can think of, the current NYT/60 Minutes story is the one that interests me the most, but suffice to say, I haven't really devoted many minutes of my life to think about it. If for some reason, their observations and statements are accurate, then that's quite intriguing. I could go off on speculations as to what it could be, whether manmade or alien, but this is just a waste of time.
I have no idea if we've ever been visited by aliens, and so far, I don't think we have.
That said, those who dismiss the possibility of life or intelligent, complex life forms "out there", need to sit down and look at the numbers:
There's around 100 to 400 billion stars in our Milky Way galaxy (which is a typical or "standard" galaxy in our universe). There's a number of different stars that are very good candidates for supporting life on orbiting planets, and some stars that are terrible candidates. The best one is the G class star. Our own sun is a G dwarf star. And 7% of the stars in our galaxy are G class stars. Each of these G class stars have around 0.4% to 0.9% habitable planets orbiting them, according to exoplanetary studies. Even if we somehow assumed that only G class stars could support planets with life on them (which isn't true, as many more can), the number of planets in just our galaxy where life could possibly exist, would be staggeringly high (and I'm too lazy to do the math on approximate number range for such planets).
Then consider that in the visible universe, in other words what we have observed and know so far, there's at least several hundred billion galaxies. Travel from one galaxy to another I doubt is possible, unless technology more advanced than even the technology we saw in Star Trek (i.e., warp speed) exists, something like artificial wormhole creation, with instant appearance on point B from leaving point A. But this is very much sci-fi fantasy. Our current understanding of physics says that speed of light travel is not possible, so there's that.
Even if we confine ourselves to just our own galaxy, there can be quite many planets with lifeforms out there. They could be more primitive than us (and naturally then not be capable of exploring space), or be just as advanced. They could be a whole lot more advanced, and they could be so advanced that we'd never know if they existed in the first place, because they'd be far beyond our senses and technology, and communication would be impossible.
Within a 10 light year radius from our sun, there's around 10-19 stars that are very interesting, for having habitable zones in their solar systems. This is where I'd guess aliens would be, if they were to exist "near us".
If any of these lifeforms have visited us, I have no idea, and as I said before, I very much doubt it.
People who sit inside "meditation pyramids" wearing tin foil hats surrounding themselves with quartz crystals and says that aliens are amongst us, is not exactly what I put the most trust in.
It would be very cool if we one day made official contact, in a friendly way, but I doubt I'll be alive to witness such a thing. Until then, we should perhaps devote more time on doing something about climate change. We have just one planet right now, not several, unfortunate as it is.
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I haven’t, I’ll check it out. I don’t even really get into sci-fi or alien stuff but I am looking for new fiction to read. Modern fiction is so dull.PeterC wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:29 amHave you read The Three-Body Problem? It's long but I think you'd like itTharpaChodron wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:41 pm
True, we have no real idea of the capabilities, existence or intentions of possible “aliens.” We only have our limited capacity for reasoning, a myopic world view and human consciousness. Everything you said is correct. That said, intellectual curiosity can be stymied by the outlook that we can never really know anything beyond our own microcosm - a philosophical dead-end where inquiry is pointless. As silly as it is, I’d rather live in a world where we send out gold discs across the universe hoping for something.
Btw I’m writing this while sitting at Jack London’s old bar/haunt in Oakland.
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Norwegian wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:55 pm100% this.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:04 pmAnd they still don't present anything that remotely resembles a fact apart from grainy Airforce photos, etc.
I am quite certain there is life on other planets in the universe, even intelligent life.
But there is absolutely no empirical evidence that has been produced by anyone that we have been visited by intelligent beings from another solar system, etc.
And if there was such evidence, the first human instinct would be to destroy such beings.
Of all the UFO stories I can think of, the current NYT/60 Minutes story is the one that interests me the most, but suffice to say, I haven't really devoted many minutes of my life to think about it. If for some reason, their observations and statements are accurate, then that's quite intriguing. I could go off on speculations as to what it could be, whether manmade or alien, but this is just a waste of time.
I have no idea if we've ever been visited by aliens, and so far, I don't think we have.
That said, those who dismiss the possibility of life or intelligent, complex life forms "out there", need to sit down and look at the numbers:
There's around 100 to 400 billion stars in our Milky Way galaxy (which is a typical or "standard" galaxy in our universe). There's a number of different stars that are very good candidates for supporting life on orbiting planets, and some stars that are terrible candidates. The best one is the G class star. Our own sun is a G dwarf star. And 7% of the stars in our galaxy are G class stars. Each of these G class stars have around 0.4% to 0.9% habitable planets orbiting them, according to exoplanetary studies. Even if we somehow assumed that only G class stars could support planets with life on them (which isn't true, as many more can), the number of planets in just our galaxy where life could possibly exist, would be staggeringly high (and I'm too lazy to do the math on approximate number range for such planets).
Then consider that in the visible universe, in other words what we have observed and know so far, there's at least several hundred billion galaxies. Travel from one galaxy to another I doubt is possible, unless technology more advanced than even the technology we saw in Star Trek (i.e., warp speed) exists, something like artificial wormhole creation, with instant appearance on point B from leaving point A. But this is very much sci-fi fantasy. Our current understanding of physics says that speed of light travel is not possible, so there's that.
Even if we confine ourselves to just our own galaxy, there can be quite many planets with lifeforms out there. They could be more primitive than us (and naturally then not be capable of exploring space), or be just as advanced. They could be a whole lot more advanced, and they could be so advanced that we'd never know if they existed in the first place, because they'd be far beyond our senses and technology, and communication would be impossible.
Within a 10 light year radius from our sun, there's around 10-19 stars that are very interesting, for having habitable zones in their solar systems. This is where I'd guess aliens would be, if they were to exist "near us".
If any of these lifeforms have visited us, I have no idea, and as I said before, I very much doubt it.
People who sit inside "meditation pyramids" wearing tin foil hats surrounding themselves with quartz crystals and says that aliens are amongst us, is not exactly what I put the most trust in.
It would be very cool if we one day made official contact, in a friendly way, but I doubt I'll be alive to witness such a thing. Until then, we should perhaps devote more time on doing something about climate change. We have just one planet right now, not several, unfortunate as it is.
Thinly Norbu writes in "Cascading Waterfall of Nectar," - "From a Buddhist point of view, worlds that exist beyond the perception of beings with obscured karmic senses cannot be denied...Nihilists do not believe in what is beyond the perception of their senses, so the spiritual phenomena of Buddhist cosmology, including Mount Meru, are unbelievable to them... If Buddhists only follow what is said in nonreligious science, there is no basis of spirituality, because one cannot be truly spiritual if one only believes in what is materially evident."
To me, this means that we should not obsess on "UFO's" and "aliens" because by doing so we are looking for material proof of what we should already have faith in, by virtue of our spiritual Buddhist outlook.
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"Evidence" is conventional or habitual society. In other fields, like particle physics or electron microscopy, grainy pictures are evidence. There is lots of evidence if you want to become acquainted with it.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 4:04 pmAnd they still don't present anything that remotely resembles a fact apart from grainy Airforce photos, etc.
I am quite certain there is life on other planets in the universe, even intelligent life.
But there is absolutely no empirical evidence that has been produced by anyone that we have been visited by intelligent beings from another solar system, etc.
And if there was such evidence, the first human instinct would be to destroy such beings.
Think about Asanga's twelve year retreat, at the and of which he met Maitreya face to face. Asanga then wanted to show Maitreya to the people in the town and carried him on his shoulders to a busy market place, bur nobody saw Maitreya. One old woman saw him carrying a dog on his shoulders.
There is no objective reality that everyone will see, perceive and believe. Only a minority will see ufos or extraterrestrials. A system of initiation into the sphere of ufo-phenomenon has been created, in which people are gradually brought into it.
svaha
"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.
They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Sarvē mānavāḥ svatantrāḥ samutpannāḥ vartantē api ca, gauravadr̥śā adhikāradr̥śā ca samānāḥ ēva vartantē. Ētē sarvē cētanā-tarka-śaktibhyāṁ susampannāḥ santi. Api ca, sarvē’pi bandhutva-bhāvanayā parasparaṁ vyavaharantu."
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 1. (in english and sanskrit)
"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.
They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Sarvē mānavāḥ svatantrāḥ samutpannāḥ vartantē api ca, gauravadr̥śā adhikāradr̥śā ca samānāḥ ēva vartantē. Ētē sarvē cētanā-tarka-śaktibhyāṁ susampannāḥ santi. Api ca, sarvē’pi bandhutva-bhāvanayā parasparaṁ vyavaharantu."
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 1. (in english and sanskrit)
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How did you receive this initiation Aemilius?
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I did not, I listened to or read maybe more than one hundred stories of how people got involved in this sphere. You can find interviews of people for example in the old Project Camelot page https://projectcamelot.org/#
This and some other things constitute an initiation into ufology in my case.
svaha
"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.
They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Sarvē mānavāḥ svatantrāḥ samutpannāḥ vartantē api ca, gauravadr̥śā adhikāradr̥śā ca samānāḥ ēva vartantē. Ētē sarvē cētanā-tarka-śaktibhyāṁ susampannāḥ santi. Api ca, sarvē’pi bandhutva-bhāvanayā parasparaṁ vyavaharantu."
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 1. (in english and sanskrit)
"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.
They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Sarvē mānavāḥ svatantrāḥ samutpannāḥ vartantē api ca, gauravadr̥śā adhikāradr̥śā ca samānāḥ ēva vartantē. Ētē sarvē cētanā-tarka-śaktibhyāṁ susampannāḥ santi. Api ca, sarvē’pi bandhutva-bhāvanayā parasparaṁ vyavaharantu."
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 1. (in english and sanskrit)
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Of all the spiritual phenomena that happens on our planet, who cares about this UFO crap? There are so many more pressing issues at hand. People spend their lives pondering over and trying to prove this nonsense. If the idea is to prove the impossible and overturn the common sense paradigm of truth in our society... obviously there are far better and more constructive ways to do that.
Is the act of searching for UFOs like materialist skeptics trying to prove the existence of God or something? Or maybe some people just get a kick of being a mad scientist type, outcast from society, waiting for the day when they are proven right and can finally say "AHA! SEE!?!?" I honestly don't get it.
Is the act of searching for UFOs like materialist skeptics trying to prove the existence of God or something? Or maybe some people just get a kick of being a mad scientist type, outcast from society, waiting for the day when they are proven right and can finally say "AHA! SEE!?!?" I honestly don't get it.
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Refuge taken in the Guru, Buddha, Sangha, and Dharma is enough challenge for me.
Life is to short to take Refuge in sentient beings just because they are different or exotic.
They have their lives, if they exist. I have mine and lots to do.
Life is to short to take Refuge in sentient beings just because they are different or exotic.
They have their lives, if they exist. I have mine and lots to do.
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A darn good article from the NYT.
Even if You Think Discussing Aliens Is Ridiculous, Just Hear Me Out
May 13, 2021
By Ezra Klein
Opinion Columnist
The most curious subplot in the news right now is the admission, at the most senior levels of the United States government, that the military services have collected visuals, data and testimonials recording flying objects they cannot explain; that they are investigating these phenomena seriously; and that they will, in the coming months, report at least some of their findings to the public. It feels, at times, like the beginning of a film where everyone is going about their lives, even as the earthshaking events unfurl on a silenced television in the background.
A number of stories in The New York Times over the past few years have confirmed the existence of a military program on “Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification” and revealed videos in which trained pilots marvel over unidentified craft apparently defying the limits of known technology.
On April 30, The New Yorker published a revelatory article by Gideon Lewis-Kraus tracking the rise of congressional, military and media interest in U.F.O.s. Harry Reid, the former Senate majority leader from Nevada, emerges as the key actor. In the middle of his decades-long career in government, he pushed to fund these investigations, and since retiring he’s been relentless in voicing his conviction that the military has information on U.F.O.s that the public deserves to know. He told Lewis-Kraus that he believed there was crash debris held by Lockheed Martin, but when he asked the Pentagon to see it, he was refused access. “I tried to get, as I recall, a classified approval by the Pentagon to have me go look at the stuff,” he said. “They would not approve that.”
Language inserted into the 2021 Intelligence Authorization Act gave the government 180 days to gather and analyze the data it has collected, and to release a report on the findings. On Fox News, John Ratcliffe, the former director of national intelligence, was given the opportunity to play down the report, which began under his tenure, and he declined. “When we talk about sightings,” he said, “we are talking about objects that have been seen by Navy or Air Force pilots, or have been picked up by satellite imagery, that frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for, or traveling at speeds that exceed the sound barrier without a sonic boom.” Nor are these just eyewitness accounts, made by fallible human observers. “Usually, we have multiple sensors that are picking up these things,” he said.
Perhaps Ratcliffe, a former member of Congress whose sole stint in intelligence came at the tail end of the Trump administration, is simply hyping his work. But that doesn’t explain why a former C.I.A. director, John Brennan, said in an interview with the economist Tyler Cowen that “some of the phenomena we’re going to be seeing continues to be unexplained and might, in fact, be some type of phenomenon that is the result of something that we don’t yet understand and that could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.” Well then.
To state the obvious: All this is a little weird. None of it is proof of extraterrestrial visitation, of course. And I am not just offering a pro forma disclaimer to cover my firm belief in aliens. I really don’t know what’s behind these videos and reports, and I relish that. In this case, that is my bias: I enjoy the spaciousness of mystery. Evidence that there is intelligent extraterrestrial life, and it has been here, would upend how humanity understands itself and our place in the cosmos. Even if you think all discussion of aliens is ridiculous, it’s fun to let the mind roam over the implications.
The way I’ve framed the thought experiment in recent conversations is this: Imagine, tomorrow, an alien craft crashed down in Oregon. There are no life-forms in it. It’s effectively a drone. But it’s undeniably extraterrestrial in origin. So we are faced with the knowledge that we’re not alone, that we are perhaps being watched, and we have no way to make contact. How does that change human culture and society?
One immediate effect, I suspect, would be a collapse in public trust. Decades of U.F.O. reports and conspiracies would take on a different cast. Governments would be seen as having withheld a profound truth from the public, whether or not they actually did. We already live in an age of conspiracy theories. Now the guardrails would truly shatter, because if U.F.O.s were real, despite decades of dismissals, who would remain trusted to say anything else was false? Certainly not the academics who’d laughed them off as nonsense, or the governments who would now be seen as liars.
“I’ve always resisted the conspiracy narrative around U.F.O.s,” Alexander Wendt, a professor of international security at Ohio State University who has written about U.F.O.s, told me. “I assume the governments have no clue what any of this is and they’re covering up their ignorance, if anything. That’s why you have all the secrecy, but people may think they were being lied to all along.”
The question, then, would be who could impose meaning on such an event. “Instead of a land grab, it would be a narrative grab,” Diana Pasulka, author of “American Cosmic: U.F.O.s, Religion, Technology,” told me. There would be enormous power — and money — in shaping the story humanity told itself. If we were to believe that the contact was threatening, military budgets would swell all over the world. A more pacific interpretation might orient humanity toward space travel or at least interstellar communication. Pasulka says she believes this narrative grab is happening even now, with the military establishment positioning itself as the arbiter of information over any U.F.O. events.
One lesson of the pandemic is that humanity’s desire for normalcy is an underrated force, and there is no single mistake as common to political analysis as the constant belief that this or that event will finally change everything. If so many can deny or downplay a disease that’s killed millions, dismissing some unusual debris would be trivial. “An awful lot of people would basically shrug and it’d be in the news for three days,” Adrian Tchaikovsky, the science fiction writer, told me. “You can’t just say, ‘Still no understanding of alien thing!’ every day. An awful lot of people would be very keen on continuing with their lives and routines no matter what.”
There is a thick literature on how evidence of alien life would shake the world’s religions, but I think Brother Guy Consolmagno, director of the Vatican Observatory, is quite likely right when he suggests that many people would simply say, “of course.” The materialist worldview that positions humanity as an island of intelligence in a potentially empty cosmos — my worldview, in other words — is the aberration. Most people believe, and have always believed, that we share both the Earth and the cosmos with other beings — gods, spirits, angels, ghosts, ancestors. The norm throughout human history has been a crowded universe where other intelligences are interested in our comings and goings, and even shape them. The whole of human civilization is testament to the fact that we can believe we are not alone and still obsess over earthly concerns.
This has even been true with aliens. The science fiction writer Kim Stanley Robinson reminded me that in the early 1900s it was widely but mistakenly believed that we had visual evidence of canals on Mars. “The scientific community seemed to have validated that finding, even though it was mainly Percival Lowell, but it’s hard to recapture now how general the assumption was,” he wrote in an email. “There being no chance of passage across space, it was assumed to be a philosophical point only, of interest but not world-changing for anyone.”
What might be more world-changing is the way nation-states fall to fighting over the debris, or even just the interpretation of the debris. There’s a long science fiction literature in which the prospect or reality of alien attack unites the human race — Alan Moore’s “Watchmen” and the movie “Independence Day,” to name a couple. But a more ambiguous contact might lead to more fractious results. “The scenario you outline would be politicized immediately on the international stage; the Russians and Chinese would never believe us and frankly large numbers of Americans would be much more likely to believe that Russia or China was behind it,” Anne-Marie Slaughter, the chief executive of New America and a former director of policy planning at the State Department, told me. And that’s to say nothing of the tensions over who actually owned, and thus could research and profit from, the technologies embedded in the debris.
Slaughter went on to make a point about the difficulty of uniting humanity that I’d been contemplating as well. “After all, we are facing the destruction of the planet as we know it and have inhabited it for millennia over a couple of decades, and that does not even unify Americans, much less people around the globe.” If the real threat of climate change hasn’t unified countries and focused our technological and political efforts behind a common purpose, why should the more uncertain threat of aliens?
And yet, I’d like to believe it could be different. Steven Dick, the former chief historian for NASA, has argued that indirect contact with aliens — a radio signal, for instance — would be more like past scientific revolutions than past civilizational collisions. The correct analogy, he suggests, would be the realization that we share our world with bacteria, or that the Earth orbits the sun, or that life is shaped by natural selection. These upheavals in our understanding of the universe we inhabit changed the course of human science and culture, and perhaps this would, too. “There are times in science when just knowing that a thing is possible motivates an effort to get there,” Jacob Foster, a sociologist at U.C.L.A., told me. The knowledge that there were other space-faring societies might make us more desperate to join them or communicate with them.
There’s a school of thought that says interplanetary ambitions are ridiculous when we have so many terrestrial crises. I disagree. I believe our unsolved problems reflect a lack of unifying goals more than a surfeit of them. America made it to the moon in the same decade it created Medicare and Medicaid and passed the Civil Rights Act, and I don’t believe that to be coincidence.
A more cohesive understanding of ourselves as a species, and our planet as one ecosystem among others, might lead us to take more care with what we already have, and the sentient life we already know. The loveliest sentiment I came across while doing this (admittedly odd) reporting was from Agnes Callard, a philosopher at the University of Chicago. “You also asked how we should react,” she said over email. “I guess my preferred reaction would be for the knowledge that someone was watching to inspire us to be the best examples of intelligent life that we could be.”
I recognize this is a treacly place to end up: evidence of extraterrestrial life, or even surveillance, reminding us of what we should already know. But that doesn’t make it less true. Callard’s words brought to mind one of my favorite science fiction stories, “The Great Silence,” by the writer Ted Chiang (whom I interviewed here, in a conversation that explores this fable). In it, he imagines a parrot talking to the humans managing the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico, for more than 50 years the largest single dish radio telescope on earth. There we are, creating technological marvels to find life in the stars, while we heedlessly drive wild parrots, among so many others species, toward extinction here at home.
“We’re a nonhuman species capable of communicating with them,” the parrot muses. “Aren’t we exactly what humans are looking for?”
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isn't there some text that Lord Buddha said that any given time there are around 10,000 such worlds as the one we live in?
Also i had a weird thing happen once with a friend.
Driving up hurontario street in mississauga in the mid seventies i noticed a red flashing light further up the road...I always drive looking far ahead..
so then i'm at a stop light , car beside me..on my driver's side... and i see that the thing is flying over the street lamps in the middle of the road with this pulsating red light that when it got close was actually white light inside it...about the size of an average modern day police camera on street ..
So like it was about 6 feet long and had the metal gey body of an insect..three main parts and then a tail trailing off a tail with small orb insect like modules creating a curved tail..
four wings two on each side ...best i describe without drawing like curved to a point...
this is where it was weird.. i turn to my frien when it was coming close and say what is that Steve...he is like in a daze...i hit him and scream look and he like wakes up and goes holy frak...it was mid afternoon hot windows open and like the guy in car next to me is like dazed to cause i yell at him and beep my horn..He never reacts at all....Steve and i both poke our heads way out the window look above and it makes a 90 degree turn and goes down the street over the roof tops. We make the turn ..i look at the guy and he is like still unaware...just staring ahead...it all happened very fast.....i follow only to get this idea to drive away and go to this spot on dundas street to see it better ...which is like about five blocks away...and when i get there...it's stupid cause there is no place to look out and see...i had lived in this area for a couple of years...it was close to home....and like the place i wanted to view it from...did not exist...
my friend swore me to secrecy and not to tell people...which i did and people just mock..
except two...
one was my boss at a popular furniture store and he said it was probably a probe and did some kind of mind control to hide it from everyone...
the other guy said ...we never put red lights on the front of flying things...and probably you and Steve ended up on the front page of some newspaper on another planet with the title two very aware humans...
the newspaper part came to mind whilst reading some of this thread the past week...they would be well beyound newspapers....computers were not in everyone's homes at the time...
We rushed home to tell me old man , who was dying of cancer.....thing is shortly after this like a week ..i was shakkabukkued...and six weeks after that...me old man was cured...
which makes me wonder...was it the Buddhism or the probe people...
Also i had a weird thing happen once with a friend.
Driving up hurontario street in mississauga in the mid seventies i noticed a red flashing light further up the road...I always drive looking far ahead..
so then i'm at a stop light , car beside me..on my driver's side... and i see that the thing is flying over the street lamps in the middle of the road with this pulsating red light that when it got close was actually white light inside it...about the size of an average modern day police camera on street ..
So like it was about 6 feet long and had the metal gey body of an insect..three main parts and then a tail trailing off a tail with small orb insect like modules creating a curved tail..
four wings two on each side ...best i describe without drawing like curved to a point...
this is where it was weird.. i turn to my frien when it was coming close and say what is that Steve...he is like in a daze...i hit him and scream look and he like wakes up and goes holy frak...it was mid afternoon hot windows open and like the guy in car next to me is like dazed to cause i yell at him and beep my horn..He never reacts at all....Steve and i both poke our heads way out the window look above and it makes a 90 degree turn and goes down the street over the roof tops. We make the turn ..i look at the guy and he is like still unaware...just staring ahead...it all happened very fast.....i follow only to get this idea to drive away and go to this spot on dundas street to see it better ...which is like about five blocks away...and when i get there...it's stupid cause there is no place to look out and see...i had lived in this area for a couple of years...it was close to home....and like the place i wanted to view it from...did not exist...
my friend swore me to secrecy and not to tell people...which i did and people just mock..
except two...
one was my boss at a popular furniture store and he said it was probably a probe and did some kind of mind control to hide it from everyone...
the other guy said ...we never put red lights on the front of flying things...and probably you and Steve ended up on the front page of some newspaper on another planet with the title two very aware humans...
the newspaper part came to mind whilst reading some of this thread the past week...they would be well beyound newspapers....computers were not in everyone's homes at the time...
We rushed home to tell me old man , who was dying of cancer.....thing is shortly after this like a week ..i was shakkabukkued...and six weeks after that...me old man was cured...
which makes me wonder...was it the Buddhism or the probe people...
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ok now i got to thinking...
so like i go to montreal after being fired from the job...my boss went weird on me...no reason....the gakki sqaid it was an obstacle cause i'm doing a lot of chanting...go to a meeting and this chick from France with her mom give a cancer experience and i talk to them...they implore me to go back to toronto right away and talk to a senior leader...i talked to Tom the japanese guy who introduced me and well he tells me to not tell anyone and chant for me dad and he will get better or this religion is a lie...
maybe the chick from france was an alien...they were giving me a reasonable reason for the cure...they dig Nichiren Buddhism and like they shakkabukku people...
hey its like how my mind works...
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oh yeah i go back to my job to see old friends and my boss asks me why i did not come back..i said you fired me...he says you can start tommorrow...
so like i go to montreal after being fired from the job...my boss went weird on me...no reason....the gakki sqaid it was an obstacle cause i'm doing a lot of chanting...go to a meeting and this chick from France with her mom give a cancer experience and i talk to them...they implore me to go back to toronto right away and talk to a senior leader...i talked to Tom the japanese guy who introduced me and well he tells me to not tell anyone and chant for me dad and he will get better or this religion is a lie...
maybe the chick from france was an alien...they were giving me a reasonable reason for the cure...they dig Nichiren Buddhism and like they shakkabukku people...
hey its like how my mind works...
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oh yeah i go back to my job to see old friends and my boss asks me why i did not come back..i said you fired me...he says you can start tommorrow...
Re: More UFOs
so like maybe due to my not seeing them in a daze...they decide do all this mind control experiments on my people around me...
the whole thing is odd.
i will tell you this ..that day..is a weird memory for it is like really really bright...that's all i can describe it as...it's different from other memories..
i'm trying to chant so sorry for keep making new posts..
that a problem having your gohonzon online i guess.
i want to start a poll...how many people now realize minobu is a wack job
hears someone say ...i knew all along ..this just proves it.
people if you knew me in real life you would defo not want to live inside this head
the whole thing is odd.
i will tell you this ..that day..is a weird memory for it is like really really bright...that's all i can describe it as...it's different from other memories..
i'm trying to chant so sorry for keep making new posts..
that a problem having your gohonzon online i guess.
i want to start a poll...how many people now realize minobu is a wack job
hears someone say ...i knew all along ..this just proves it.
people if you knew me in real life you would defo not want to live inside this head