The KLF, but Buddhists?

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The KLF, but Buddhists?

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I'm trying to imagine the outrageous experimental hiphop of the KLF, but Buddhist instead of Discordian. I think this is what I'm going to try to make for my next track.

Any other KLF fans here?

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The KLF is gonna rock ya.

Yeah, I have definitely been a fan.
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I'm not going to lie: while I do not wish to slander members of the Sangha, I can't really get behind this...uh...approach. I think it lacks dignity, and dignity today is one of the least-recognized but most rapidly vanishing of human necessities.

But hey, they exist, so I'm reporting on 'em.

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I like Buddhist music which is actually practice-based myself. I think Buddhist pop music tends to end up as music about being Buddhist which can be kind of superficial at times.

Not saying it has to be, just that it's a tendency.
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A tendency for Buddhist people to be joyful! yeah :twothumbsup:
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DharmaN00b wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:55 pm A tendency for Buddhist people to be joyful! yeah :twothumbsup:
Hey everyone has their own deal, music is of course very subjective and people should do what makes them happy. Just because I don't like doesn't mean it isn't wonderful.
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Johnny Dangerous wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:51 pm The KLF is gonna rock ya.
For some reason, I read this to the tune of "Juicy Fruit, it's gonna move ya!"
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Then, the monks sang this gāthā:

These bodies are like foam.
Them being frail, who can rejoice in them?
The Buddha attained the vajra-body.
Still, it becomes inconstant and rots.
The many Buddhas are vajra-entities.
All are also subject to inconstancy.
Quickly ended, like melting snow --
how could things be different?

The Buddha passed into parinirvāṇa afterward.
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I think the key test of religious music is that it has to be good music first. There's oodles of great music dealing with Christian themes, but there's also dreadful "Christian Rock." Unfortunately, most of the modern Buddhist pop/rock/rap/etc. that I've heard just isn't that good--or at least, not to my ear.
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Caoimhghín wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:23 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:51 pm The KLF is gonna rock ya.
For some reason, I read this to the tune of "Juicy Fruit, it's gonna mova ya!"
For reference:

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Johnny Dangerous wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:35 pm
Caoimhghín wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:23 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:51 pm The KLF is gonna rock ya.
For some reason, I read this to the tune of "Juicy Fruit, it's gonna mova ya!"
For reference:




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Genjo Conan wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:31 pm I think the key test of religious music is that it has to be good music first. There's oodles of great music dealing with Christian themes, but there's also dreadful "Christian Rock." Unfortunately, most of the modern Buddhist pop/rock/rap/etc. that I've heard just isn't that good--or at least, not to my ear.
Why does it have to be good?

I just want to make music and work closely with the prayers and mantras that inspire me. Sharing with others I know I can bring some joy to the hearts of the people who know me personally. And it just feels good to share.

If goodness were truly the test then it would suggest no one should make music, because bad is where everyone starts out. And to certain people's perspectives, that's where they remain forever.

Edit: Sorry, this both came across as confrontational AND read more into what you said than I think you meant. Consider this just using what you said as a platform for working out ideas.
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Johnny Dangerous wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:23 pm I like Buddhist music which is actually practice-based myself. I think Buddhist pop music tends to end up as music about being Buddhist which can be kind of superficial at times.

Not saying it has to be, just that it's a tendency.
My artistic vision is more just musical recitation of prayers to a beat with some embellishments. Maybe some sutras. I don't feel qualified to share original words about Dharma.
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Hazel wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:48 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:23 pm I like Buddhist music which is actually practice-based myself. I think Buddhist pop music tends to end up as music about being Buddhist which can be kind of superficial at times.

Not saying it has to be, just that it's a tendency.
My artistic vision is more just musical recitation of prayers to a beat with some embellishments. Maybe some sutras. I don't feel qualified to share original words about Dharma.
Something like this?

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Hazel wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:45 pm
Genjo Conan wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:31 pm I think the key test of religious music is that it has to be good music first. There's oodles of great music dealing with Christian themes, but there's also dreadful "Christian Rock." Unfortunately, most of the modern Buddhist pop/rock/rap/etc. that I've heard just isn't that good--or at least, not to my ear.
Why does it have to be good?

I just want to make music and work closely with the prayers and mantras that inspire me. Sharing with others I know I can bring some joy to the hearts of the people who know me personally. And it just feels good to share.

If goodness were truly the test then it would suggest no one should make music, because bad is where everyone starts out. And to certain people's perspectives, that's where they remain forever.

Edit: Sorry, this both came across as confrontational AND read more into what you said than I think you meant. Consider this just using what you said as a platform for working out ideas.
IMO music should be 'good' in the sense of 'fine'. That's helpful for my emotional nervous system. Stamping idiots melodies are crude and stupid in my view. Instead some blue notes and an unexpected melody is needed. Then it helps to widen the mind.
Only in my taste. :smile:
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taleen wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:51 am
Hazel wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:48 pm
Johnny Dangerous wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:23 pm I like Buddhist music which is actually practice-based myself. I think Buddhist pop music tends to end up as music about being Buddhist which can be kind of superficial at times.

Not saying it has to be, just that it's a tendency.
My artistic vision is more just musical recitation of prayers to a beat with some embellishments. Maybe some sutras. I don't feel qualified to share original words about Dharma.
Something like this?

I'd aim to be way less saccharine. Also would avoid like the plague trying to include traditional elements like instruments... There are songs that seem like they are trying to sound like Buddhism (whatever that means to the artist), which I don't think is possible so comes across as hokey.

In summary, too happy, too cheesy.

I want like an actual song, just with prayers for lyrics.
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