Abhidharmakosabhasyam Book Club
Abhidharmakosabhasyam Book Club
Jake and I have been discussing our interest in studying the Abhidharmakosabhasyam of Vasubandhu (the "Kosa") recently and thought we might give it a shot as a book club here on DW. Seeing that others might have an interest, and hoping to capitalize on the collection of learned members here who might be able to offer input from time to time, we thought it might make for a fruitful effort.
We're going to have it here in the Discovering Mahayana Buddhism subforum so that the thread can be fully moderated, meaning, posts will require approval before they appear in public. We hope that this will keep the discussion focused and maintain a level of quality.
It is a big work, running to four volumes in the English translation (from the French by Poussin). We'll try to keep a certain pace, but this will of course depend on the participants. If it loses steam, well, we'll only have ourselves to blame. We're also anticipating this as an open ended study, so we have no set schedule.
So, with that, how about it Wheelers?
We're going to have it here in the Discovering Mahayana Buddhism subforum so that the thread can be fully moderated, meaning, posts will require approval before they appear in public. We hope that this will keep the discussion focused and maintain a level of quality.
It is a big work, running to four volumes in the English translation (from the French by Poussin). We'll try to keep a certain pace, but this will of course depend on the participants. If it loses steam, well, we'll only have ourselves to blame. We're also anticipating this as an open ended study, so we have no set schedule.
So, with that, how about it Wheelers?
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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You only really to study chapters 1-6, which cover suffering (1-2), the cause of suffering (3-4), and the cessastion of suffering (5-6). You don''t really need to study the path (7-8) since we do not practice this path. So the last two chapters are academic only.Queequeg wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 9:35 pm Jake and I have been discussing our interest in studying the Abhidharmakosabhasyam of Vasubandhu (the "Kosa") recently and thought we might give it a shot as a book club here on DW. Seeing that others might have an interest, and hoping to capitalize on the collection of learned members here who might be able to offer input from time to time, we thought it might make for a fruitful effort.
We're going to have it here in the Discovering Mahayana Buddhism subforum so that the thread can be fully moderated, meaning, posts will require approval before they appear in public. We hope that this will keep the discussion focused and maintain a level of quality.
It is a big work, running to four volumes in the English translation (from the French by Poussin). We'll try to keep a certain pace, but this will of course depend on the participants. If it loses steam, well, we'll only have ourselves to blame. We're also anticipating this as an open ended study, so we have no set schedule.
So, with that, how about it Wheelers?
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Thanks, M. That's the kind of input we were hoping for.
In terms of the path - is that because its the Sarvastivadin path that is described there?
In terms of the path - is that because its the Sarvastivadin path that is described there?
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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Geez, I wish I knew this before I ordered all four volumes!Malcolm wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:01 pmYou only really to study chapters 1-6, which cover suffering (1-2), the cause of suffering (3-4), and the cessastion of suffering (5-6). You don''t really need to study the path (7-8) since we do not practice this path. So the last two chapters are academic only.Queequeg wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 9:35 pm Jake and I have been discussing our interest in studying the Abhidharmakosabhasyam of Vasubandhu (the "Kosa") recently and thought we might give it a shot as a book club here on DW. Seeing that others might have an interest, and hoping to capitalize on the collection of learned members here who might be able to offer input from time to time, we thought it might make for a fruitful effort.
We're going to have it here in the Discovering Mahayana Buddhism subforum so that the thread can be fully moderated, meaning, posts will require approval before they appear in public. We hope that this will keep the discussion focused and maintain a level of quality.
It is a big work, running to four volumes in the English translation (from the French by Poussin). We'll try to keep a certain pace, but this will of course depend on the participants. If it loses steam, well, we'll only have ourselves to blame. We're also anticipating this as an open ended study, so we have no set schedule.
So, with that, how about it Wheelers?
Hopefully will be here soon!
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Re: Abhidharmakosabhasyam Book Club
Well, vol. 4 has the most excellent "refutation of the pugala" chapter, chapter 9.Grigoris wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:39 pmGeez, I wish I knew this before I ordered all four volumes!Malcolm wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:01 pmYou only really to study chapters 1-6, which cover suffering (1-2), the cause of suffering (3-4), and the cessastion of suffering (5-6). You don''t really need to study the path (7-8) since we do not practice this path. So the last two chapters are academic only.Queequeg wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 9:35 pm Jake and I have been discussing our interest in studying the Abhidharmakosabhasyam of Vasubandhu (the "Kosa") recently and thought we might give it a shot as a book club here on DW. Seeing that others might have an interest, and hoping to capitalize on the collection of learned members here who might be able to offer input from time to time, we thought it might make for a fruitful effort.
We're going to have it here in the Discovering Mahayana Buddhism subforum so that the thread can be fully moderated, meaning, posts will require approval before they appear in public. We hope that this will keep the discussion focused and maintain a level of quality.
It is a big work, running to four volumes in the English translation (from the French by Poussin). We'll try to keep a certain pace, but this will of course depend on the participants. If it loses steam, well, we'll only have ourselves to blame. We're also anticipating this as an open ended study, so we have no set schedule.
So, with that, how about it Wheelers?
Hopefully will be here soon!
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Malcolm wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:42 pmWell, vol. 4 has the most excellent "refutation of the pugala" chapter, chapter 9.Grigoris wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:39 pmGeez, I wish I knew this before I ordered all four volumes!Malcolm wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:01 pm
You only really to study chapters 1-6, which cover suffering (1-2), the cause of suffering (3-4), and the cessastion of suffering (5-6). You don''t really need to study the path (7-8) since we do not practice this path. So the last two chapters are academic only.
Hopefully will be here soon!
Is the Poussin translation the one you recommended Malcolm?
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It’s has its issues, but it is the easiest to obtain.Kunzang Tobgyal wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:32 pm
Is the Poussin translation the one you recommended Malcolm?
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There are actually three Poussin translations: his own into French and then two from Poussin's French into English. The older and better known of the latter, by Leo Pruden, has now been superseded by the more recent one by Gelong Lodrö Sangpo (Motilal Banarsidass 2012).Kunzang Tobgyal wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:32 pm Is the Poussin translation the one you recommended Malcolm?
Lodrö's added many annotations of his own based on more recent Sarvāstivāda scholarship, making each of the four volumes about twice the length of Pruden's. In the first volume there's also has a 60-page introduction by Bhikkhu Dhammajoti which provides a fine orientation to the Sarvāstivādin system for anyone who's completely new to it. As for the translation itself, though I've only read the chapter on the Pudgalavāda, it impressed me as quite an improvement over the earlier effort.
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Thank you, Venerable. Do others have a copy of the newer translation? I'd love to hear their comments on it prior to purchasing.Dhammanando wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:51 amThere are actually three Poussin translations: his own into French and then two from Poussin's French into English. The older and better known of the latter, by Leo Pruden, has now been superseded by the more recent one by Gelong Lodrö Sangpo (Motilal Banarsidass 2012).Kunzang Tobgyal wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:32 pm Is the Poussin translation the one you recommended Malcolm?
Lodrö's added many annotations of his own based on more recent Sarvāstivāda scholarship, making each of the four volumes about twice the length of Pruden's. In the first volume there's also has a 60-page introduction by Bhikkhu Dhammajoti which provides a fine orientation to the Sarvāstivādin system for anyone who's completely new to it. As for the translation itself, though I've only read the chapter on the Pudgalavāda, it impressed me as quite an improvement over the earlier effort.
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I ordered the Pruden version.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
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I forget to mention ... for anyone who reads French, Poussin's own translation is now public domain and all six volumes are available from archive.org
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat01vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat02vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat03vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat04vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat05vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat06vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat01vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat02vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat03vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat04vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat05vasuuoft
https://archive.org/details/labhidharmakosat06vasuuoft
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The Gelong Lodro Sangpo version is cheaper and in hard back.
On special at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Abhidharmakosa-B ... 326&sr=8-1
Yes, I am interested.
When do we start?
I also have all four volumes in electronic version.
On special at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Abhidharmakosa-B ... 326&sr=8-1
Yes, I am interested.
When do we start?
I also have all four volumes in electronic version.
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
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Wow, 50% off!
On the wishlist.
On the wishlist.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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What's a reasonable pace to start off with? Should we start with the intro or just jump in? It would be neat if we could start with an intro material that would contextualize the work.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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Starting with the introduction makes sense to me. A while back I found this website, there are a few PDFs that summarize things which y'all may find handy: https://abhidharmakosa.wordpress.com/
I'll begin reading the introduction this week. If anyone finds other works that provide context for the Kosa, that would be great.
I'll begin reading the introduction this week. If anyone finds other works that provide context for the Kosa, that would be great.
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I have all four volumes in an electronic version. I would love to participate, but may need to just follow casually as I have a ton on my plate at the moment (NP school, daily practice, and Purbochok's text on Lorig).
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So how are we going to structure this?
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE
"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde