Is world domination SGI’s goal?
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Oh, those guys. Yes, they're one of very few such movements we know anything about in the west, infamous for some crimes committed in its name.
Re: Is world domination SGI’s goal?
Okay, okay, that's terrible, but it has nothing to do with SGI which has always been peaceful Buddhism that has actually Shakyamuni's ideals in play. Read here about Soka Gakkai's Kosen-Rufu standard. It is very important to SGI and it's goals is to propigate the understanding of the Lotus Sutra which is highly venerated in Buddhism and the Nam Myoho Renge Kyo mantra which anyone can chant without any expenditure or loss. That is my sincerest reply. Om.
In fact what SGI is doing is the ideal of the Bodhisattva.
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.
In fact what SGI is doing is the ideal of the Bodhisattva.
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.
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Re: Is world domination SGI’s goal?
Yes.
Quite irresponsible to bring up Aum in the context of this thread. SG with its flaws is not comparable to Aum at all.
Quite irresponsible to bring up Aum in the context of this thread. SG with its flaws is not comparable to Aum at all.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
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The comparison is strictly over the issue of encouraging people to convert to a Buddhist sect.
In that regard, any organizations which actively proselytize, who try to win new converts, regardless of whether it’s aum shinrikyo, SGI, Jehovah’s Witnesses, or the Hari Krishnas, falls under that category. It doesn’t mean that their internal doctrines have anything in common.
Please examine the dialogue leading up to this point:
soma999:
“There have been many who wanted to convert the world. It has never brought any good.
I met a japanese sect into this kind of energy. Very dangerous people... in sheep cloths. At a time, they even performed harsh action to convert people. I won’t give”
Dude:
“Tell me about these harsh conversion methods.“
Padma Von Samba:
“ I think it’s a reference to Aum Shinrikyo”
If you refer back to the original post, I think you will agree that this line of conversation is not out of keeping with the topic.
EMPTIFUL.
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An inward outlook produces outward insight.
Re: Is world domination SGI’s goal?
No. The comparison is outrageous and inflammatory. Its like saying Democratic Socialists are comparable to Nazis because they both advance a notion of social consciousness.
Get over yourself.
Get over yourself.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
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It’s comparable to saying they share in common a view of changing the world by attracting more supporters and members. It’s not a question of their internal content.
I’m not the one saying that by intending to convert, that therefore SGI and other groups who hope to convert people are the same, or that seeking to convert others always leads to a bad ending.
Perhaps you should direct your objection to the comment by soma999 who stated that:
“... There have been many who wanted to convert the world. It has never brought any good.”
(About eight posts prior to this one).
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Axiom 1: All online conversations about Nichiren Bubuddhism between Nichiren Buddhists and non-Nichiren Buddhists end in flame wars.
Axiom 2: All online conversations about Nichiren Bubuddhism between Nichiren Buddhists and other Nichirin Buddhists end in flame wars.
Axiom 3: All online conversations about Nichiren Buddhism are best avoided.
Axiom 2: All online conversations about Nichiren Bubuddhism between Nichiren Buddhists and other Nichirin Buddhists end in flame wars.
Axiom 3: All online conversations about Nichiren Buddhism are best avoided.
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Funny
Generation's shall pass, our determination shall grow, at the foot of Mount Fuji
Like smoke that reaches far beyond the clouds.--nichimoku shonin. Third high priest of Nichiren Shoshu
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An interesting link on the Kenshokai, referenced earlier in this thread.
http://www.geocities.ws/chris_holte/Bud ... hokai.html
http://www.geocities.ws/chris_holte/Bud ... hokai.html
This is the Nichiren group that is the closest thing to one with designs on "taking over the world."...Indeed, the leader's son talks of ultimately attracting every living Japanese soul—all 130 million of them—to the fold.
"I'm sure it will happen," says Katsue Asai, matter-of-factly.
How long will it take?
"A bit more than 10 years. At the most, 20 years. This might sound strange,"
he says,
"but we think this is not only about Japan, but the whole universe. A huge power is coming, sometime soon. Society is getting really confused these days. There are problems with education, all the political scandals. Then there will be a big natural disaster, like an earthquake. Then China will come to invade us, to take advantage of our problems. When that happens, people will feel that whatever it was they believed in is inadequate. That's when they'll come to us."
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I love talking about Nichiren and am not a Nichiren Buddhist.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:50 pm Axiom 1: All online conversations about Nichiren Bubuddhism between Nichiren Buddhists and non-Nichiren Buddhists end in flame wars.
Axiom 2: All online conversations about Nichiren Bubuddhism between Nichiren Buddhists and other Nichirin Buddhists end in flame wars.
Axiom 3: All online conversations about Nichiren Buddhism are best avoided.
Because I come with an almost anthropological detachment to the topic, I make no judgements. I am merely interested in Nichiren doxography and theology as abstract propositions.
I've never felt attacked or flamed by a Nichiren Buddhist on this board and respect most of them as valuable sources of interesting information.
The occasional contextless wall of text Gosho quotation blitz is the only drawback, and once identified they can be scrolled past.
"One should cultivate contemplation in one’s foibles. The foibles are like fish, and contemplation is like fishing hooks. If there are no fish, then the fishing hooks have no use. The bigger the fish is, the better the result we will get. As long as the fishing hooks keep at it, all foibles will eventually be contained and controlled at will." -Zhiyi
"Just be kind." -Atisha
"Just be kind." -Atisha
Re: Is world domination SGI’s goal?
There are always innocent bystanders...FiveSkandhas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:18 pmI love talking about Nichiren and am not a Nichiren Buddhist.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:50 pm Axiom 1: All online conversations about Nichiren Bubuddhism between Nichiren Buddhists and non-Nichiren Buddhists end in flame wars.
Axiom 2: All online conversations about Nichiren Bubuddhism between Nichiren Buddhists and other Nichirin Buddhists end in flame wars.
Axiom 3: All online conversations about Nichiren Buddhism are best avoided.
Because I come with an almost anthropological detachment to the topic, I make no judgements. I am merely interested in Nichiren doxography and theology as abstract propositions.
I've never felt attacked or flamed by a Nichiren Buddhist on this board and respect most of them as valuable sources of interesting information.
The occasional contextless wall of text Gosho quotation blitz is the only drawback, and once identified they can be scrolled past.
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"One should cultivate contemplation in one’s foibles. The foibles are like fish, and contemplation is like fishing hooks. If there are no fish, then the fishing hooks have no use. The bigger the fish is, the better the result we will get. As long as the fishing hooks keep at it, all foibles will eventually be contained and controlled at will." -Zhiyi
"Just be kind." -Atisha
"Just be kind." -Atisha
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I see you brought a flamethrower yourself.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:50 pm Axiom 1: All online conversations about Nichiren Bubuddhism between Nichiren Buddhists and non-Nichiren Buddhists end in flame wars.
Axiom 2: All online conversations about Nichiren Bubuddhism between Nichiren Buddhists and other Nichirin Buddhists end in flame wars.
Axiom 3: All online conversations about Nichiren Buddhism are best avoided.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
Re: Is world domination SGI’s goal?
So you want to double down?PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:46 pmIt’s comparable to saying they share in common a view of changing the world by attracting more supporters and members. It’s not a question of their internal content.
I’m not the one saying that by intending to convert, that therefore SGI and other groups who hope to convert people are the same, or that seeking to convert others always leads to a bad ending.
Perhaps you should direct your objection to the comment by soma999 who stated that:
“... There have been many who wanted to convert the world. It has never brought any good.”
(About eight posts prior to this one).
Ridiculous. Do you even know what you're talking about? SG is an easy target to criticize, but comparing them to a group that tried to immanentize armageddon with sarin gas in a train station is national enquirer level lazy. I hope that's not the effort you put into your other endeavors.
And as for the whole question of saving all beings, it's comical when people who regard bodhisattva vows to save all beings positively get condescending when some people actually try to do it.
Smh
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
Re: Is world domination SGI’s goal?
Proof of Axiom 1.Queequeg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:12 pmSo you want to double down?PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:46 pmIt’s comparable to saying they share in common a view of changing the world by attracting more supporters and members. It’s not a question of their internal content.
I’m not the one saying that by intending to convert, that therefore SGI and other groups who hope to convert people are the same, or that seeking to convert others always leads to a bad ending.
Perhaps you should direct your objection to the comment by soma999 who stated that:
“... There have been many who wanted to convert the world. It has never brought any good.”
(About eight posts prior to this one).
Ridiculous. Do you even know what you're talking about? SG is an easy target to criticize, but comparing them to a group that tried to immanentize armageddon with sarin gas in a train station is national enquirer level lazy. I hope that's not the effort you put into your other endeavors.
And as for the whole question of saving all beings, it's comical when people who regard bodhisattva vows to save all beings positively get condescending when some people actually try to do it.
Smh
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Re: Is world domination SGI’s goal?
I’ve had SGI people try to ‘convert’ me. It was pretty gentle. Thoroughly unconvincing to me. but gentle. I am sure there are a range of approaches.
It’s not like notion of preaching is unknown elsewhere in the Mahayana, Not something to be taken personally.
Additionally, I am not sure that Nichiren is much worse for online conversation either, just a different flavor when people get preachy. I’ve been on enough FB Buddhist groups before leaving it to see some crap behavior across the board.
It’s not like notion of preaching is unknown elsewhere in the Mahayana, Not something to be taken personally.
Additionally, I am not sure that Nichiren is much worse for online conversation either, just a different flavor when people get preachy. I’ve been on enough FB Buddhist groups before leaving it to see some crap behavior across the board.
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Re: Is world domination SGI’s goal?
Nah. Your interjection in this thread was you performing Axiom 1.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:14 pmProof of Axiom 1.Queequeg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:12 pmSo you want to double down?PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:46 pm
It’s comparable to saying they share in common a view of changing the world by attracting more supporters and members. It’s not a question of their internal content.
I’m not the one saying that by intending to convert, that therefore SGI and other groups who hope to convert people are the same, or that seeking to convert others always leads to a bad ending.
Perhaps you should direct your objection to the comment by soma999 who stated that:
“... There have been many who wanted to convert the world. It has never brought any good.”
(About eight posts prior to this one).
Ridiculous. Do you even know what you're talking about? SG is an easy target to criticize, but comparing them to a group that tried to immanentize armageddon with sarin gas in a train station is national enquirer level lazy. I hope that's not the effort you put into your other endeavors.
And as for the whole question of saving all beings, it's comical when people who regard bodhisattva vows to save all beings positively get condescending when some people actually try to do it.
Smh
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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This. In the scheme of things, they're harmless. And if intension is really the key, having a bunch of people chanting for happiness and world peace and wanting people to join them - I could think of much worse.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:21 pm I’ve had SGI people try to ‘convert’ me. It was pretty gentle. Thoroughly unconvincing to me. but gentle. I am sure there are a range of approaches.
It’s not like notion of preaching is unknown elsewhere in the Mahayana, Not something to be taken personally.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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Nah, just a clinical observation of based 25 years of observation. You’re not even old enough to remember the Nam/namu Usenet war of 1995.Queequeg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:23 pmNah. Your interjection in this thread was you performing Axiom 1.Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:14 pmProof of Axiom 1.Queequeg wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:12 pm
So you want to double down?
Ridiculous. Do you even know what you're talking about? SG is an easy target to criticize, but comparing them to a group that tried to immanentize armageddon with sarin gas in a train station is national enquirer level lazy. I hope that's not the effort you put into your other endeavors.
And as for the whole question of saving all beings, it's comical when people who regard bodhisattva vows to save all beings positively get condescending when some people actually try to do it.
Smh
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lol, that one made the 1997 usenet Nam/Namu flamewar look like the one from 1998.