Is a shrine important
Is a shrine important
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is it important for you to have a shrine at your home? Why or why not?
is it important for you to have a shrine at your home? Why or why not?
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For most practitioners, I'd guess probably yes. Some kind of space set aside for practice where that is our only focus. A space that is somewhat blessed or transformed.
Really advanced practitioners might not need one at all, because they need less of a formal practice.
Really advanced practitioners might not need one at all, because they need less of a formal practice.
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The shrine is what is known as a ‘support’ for practice.
The purpose of a shrine is to make offerings.
This originally purpose of shrines/altars was for making offerings to gods, but in the Buddhist context, the objects on a shrine represent the ‘three jewels’ (Buddha Dharma, Sangha) in one way or another, and the act of making offerings is not to feed gods or get wishes granted.
Rather, the purpose is to provide you with an opportunity each day to practice generosity (and other virtuous actions such as mindfulness. discipline, and so on) and here one cultivates the idea that generosity towards the three jewels is unsurpassable. If you think about it, what a great way to begin each day, practicing generosity (even symbolically). It can really set your mind in the right place for whatever follows.
What “unsurpassable” means is, think about when you toss a pebble into a pond, and ripples radiate from the point where the pebble hit the water. The ripples radiate outward a short distance, then diminish and disappear. This is like the benefit of generosity towards ordinary objects.
When you make offerings to the three jewels, this is like the ripples in the water continuing forever. It’s like radio waves beamed out into outer space, that just travel forever.
Generally, a shrine in the vajrayana tradition should at least have an image of the Buddha (stature or picture), something that represents the Dharma teachings (a book, or even a single quote, or a scroll of prayers of mantras), and a representation of the sangha, which is usually a picture of one’s teacher or maybe HH Dalai Lama.
In the Mahayana Pure Land traditions, Buddha Amitabha, along with Avalokiteshvara and Mahāsthāmaprāpta are usually represented together.
In some schools such as Nichiren, a written scroll is the object of one’s attention, and embodies all the qualities of the three jewels.
Offerings may include water, flowers, light (candles), incense, food and other nice substances.
A ‘formal’ shrine is not mandatory. But if you can set aside some place that is clean and relatively high up, even a small table, a shelf, even part of a bookshelf, and let that become a point in your universe that is especially for the purpose of focusing on the Dharma, that’s very helpful. Traditionally, a Buddha statue on a shrine would be consecrated and filled with prayers and so on. But if there is some thing that works for you, that’s fine. If you have a space where you do sitting meditation, and the shrine is sort of a focus for you during that time, then it should be at least as high from the ground as your shoulders are while sitting. Not any lower than that.
I have a friend who has on her busy bookcase in her crowded and cluttered office, one shelf that is completely empty except for in the center, a small shiny rock she found in a stream after meditating in the woods one day while camping. It has a very “zen” feel about it, the way a traditional Japanese house would have a lot of empty space. That’s her “Dharma” space. No matter how hectic her day becomes. That quiet shelf with one stone in it is always there. It’s very nice!
If you do a web image search: “my Buddhist shrine” you will find lots of pictures of altars and shrines in peoples homes, and each one is different. Each one is very personal.
The purpose of a shrine is to make offerings.
This originally purpose of shrines/altars was for making offerings to gods, but in the Buddhist context, the objects on a shrine represent the ‘three jewels’ (Buddha Dharma, Sangha) in one way or another, and the act of making offerings is not to feed gods or get wishes granted.
Rather, the purpose is to provide you with an opportunity each day to practice generosity (and other virtuous actions such as mindfulness. discipline, and so on) and here one cultivates the idea that generosity towards the three jewels is unsurpassable. If you think about it, what a great way to begin each day, practicing generosity (even symbolically). It can really set your mind in the right place for whatever follows.
What “unsurpassable” means is, think about when you toss a pebble into a pond, and ripples radiate from the point where the pebble hit the water. The ripples radiate outward a short distance, then diminish and disappear. This is like the benefit of generosity towards ordinary objects.
When you make offerings to the three jewels, this is like the ripples in the water continuing forever. It’s like radio waves beamed out into outer space, that just travel forever.
Generally, a shrine in the vajrayana tradition should at least have an image of the Buddha (stature or picture), something that represents the Dharma teachings (a book, or even a single quote, or a scroll of prayers of mantras), and a representation of the sangha, which is usually a picture of one’s teacher or maybe HH Dalai Lama.
In the Mahayana Pure Land traditions, Buddha Amitabha, along with Avalokiteshvara and Mahāsthāmaprāpta are usually represented together.
In some schools such as Nichiren, a written scroll is the object of one’s attention, and embodies all the qualities of the three jewels.
Offerings may include water, flowers, light (candles), incense, food and other nice substances.
A ‘formal’ shrine is not mandatory. But if you can set aside some place that is clean and relatively high up, even a small table, a shelf, even part of a bookshelf, and let that become a point in your universe that is especially for the purpose of focusing on the Dharma, that’s very helpful. Traditionally, a Buddha statue on a shrine would be consecrated and filled with prayers and so on. But if there is some thing that works for you, that’s fine. If you have a space where you do sitting meditation, and the shrine is sort of a focus for you during that time, then it should be at least as high from the ground as your shoulders are while sitting. Not any lower than that.
I have a friend who has on her busy bookcase in her crowded and cluttered office, one shelf that is completely empty except for in the center, a small shiny rock she found in a stream after meditating in the woods one day while camping. It has a very “zen” feel about it, the way a traditional Japanese house would have a lot of empty space. That’s her “Dharma” space. No matter how hectic her day becomes. That quiet shelf with one stone in it is always there. It’s very nice!
If you do a web image search: “my Buddhist shrine” you will find lots of pictures of altars and shrines in peoples homes, and each one is different. Each one is very personal.
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Re: Is a shrine important
Depends on the tradition and the mentality of the practitioner. But any good teacher I've encountered would say that an external shrine is only a support for practice, at best. It doesn't replace the real gem, which is true refuge, true mindfulness of the karmic effects of action, true understanding of the nature of the mind. It's the shrine in the heart that matters most. A lot of Tibetans learned this lesson when they got kicked out of their homes and had to move south, where they had to start over in rough conditions.is it important for you to have a shrine at your home? Why or why not?
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PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:29 am The shrine is what is known as a ‘support’ for practice.
The purpose of a shrine is to make offerings.
This originally purpose of shrines/altars was for making offerings to gods, but in the Buddhist context, the objects on a shrine represent the ‘three jewels’ (Buddha Dharma, Sangha) in one way or another, and the act of making offerings is not to feed gods or get wishes granted.
Rather, the purpose is to provide you with an opportunity each day to practice generosity (and other virtuous actions such as mindfulness. discipline, and so on) and here one cultivates the idea that generosity towards the three jewels is unsurpassable. If you think about it, what a great way to begin each day, practicing generosity (even symbolically). It can really set your mind in the right place for whatever follows.
What “unsurpassable” means is, think about when you toss a pebble into a pond, and ripples radiate from the point where the pebble hit the water. The ripples radiate outward a short distance, then diminish and disappear. This is like the benefit of generosity towards ordinary objects.
When you make offerings to the three jewels, this is like the ripples in the water continuing forever. It’s like radio waves beamed out into outer space, that just travel forever.
Generally, a shrine in the vajrayana tradition should at least have an image of the Buddha (stature or picture), something that represents the Dharma teachings (a book, or even a single quote, or a scroll of prayers of mantras), and a representation of the sangha, which is usually a picture of one’s teacher or maybe HH Dalai Lama.
In the Mahayana Pure Land traditions, Buddha Amitabha, along with Avalokiteshvara and Mahāsthāmaprāpta are usually represented together.
In some schools such as Nichiren, a written scroll is the object of one’s attention, and embodies all the qualities of the three jewels.
Offerings may include water, flowers, light (candles), incense, food and other nice substances.
A ‘formal’ shrine is not mandatory. But if you can set aside some place that is clean and relatively high up, even a small table, a shelf, even part of a bookshelf, and let that become a point in your universe that is especially for the purpose of focusing on the Dharma, that’s very helpful. Traditionally, a Buddha statue on a shrine would be consecrated and filled with prayers and so on. But if there is some thing that works for you, that’s fine. If you have a space where you do sitting meditation, and the shrine is sort of a focus for you during that time, then it should be at least as high from the ground as your shoulders are while sitting. Not any lower than that.
I have a friend who has on her busy bookcase in her crowded and cluttered office, one shelf that is completely empty except for in the center, a small shiny rock she found in a stream after meditating in the woods one day while camping. It has a very “zen” feel about it, the way a traditional Japanese house would have a lot of empty space. That’s her “Dharma” space. No matter how hectic her day becomes. That quiet shelf with one stone in it is always there. It’s very nice!
If you do a web image search: “my Buddhist shrine” you will find lots of pictures of altars and shrines in peoples homes, and each one is different. Each one is very personal.
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Re: Is a shrine important
Do you need one for your spiritual development? Probably not.
Are they useful as a support for magical activities like gaining merit, etc? Definitely yes.
95% of the matter and energy in the universe is of unknown composition and origin. Dark matter is a good analogy for the world we inhabit. We can see and interact with 5%. A shrine or shrine room is a scared space that can cross over into those unseen realms. Natural ones exist too.
I'm a big fan of stupas. Damn they can transform a place. Fill them with a few relics and sprinkle on some faith and you will fall in love with them too.
Are they useful as a support for magical activities like gaining merit, etc? Definitely yes.
95% of the matter and energy in the universe is of unknown composition and origin. Dark matter is a good analogy for the world we inhabit. We can see and interact with 5%. A shrine or shrine room is a scared space that can cross over into those unseen realms. Natural ones exist too.
I'm a big fan of stupas. Damn they can transform a place. Fill them with a few relics and sprinkle on some faith and you will fall in love with them too.
Re: Is a shrine important
I plan to build a stupa in my yard. Wondering how big I can go without getting the building inspector on my case.Nemo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:11 pm Do you need one for your spiritual development? Probably not.
Are they useful as a support for magical activities like gaining merit, etc? Definitely yes.
95% of the matter and energy in the universe is of unknown composition and origin. Dark matter is a good analogy for the world we inhabit. We can see and interact with 5%. A shrine or shrine room is a scared space that can cross over into those unseen realms. Natural ones exist too.
I'm a big fan of stupas. Damn they can transform a place. Fill them with a few relics and sprinkle on some faith and you will fall in love with them too.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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Re: Is a shrine important
Would recommend you don’t.Queequeg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:03 amI plan to build a stupa in my yard. Wondering how big I can go without getting the building inspector on my case.Nemo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:11 pm Do you need one for your spiritual development? Probably not.
Are they useful as a support for magical activities like gaining merit, etc? Definitely yes.
95% of the matter and energy in the universe is of unknown composition and origin. Dark matter is a good analogy for the world we inhabit. We can see and interact with 5%. A shrine or shrine room is a scared space that can cross over into those unseen realms. Natural ones exist too.
I'm a big fan of stupas. Damn they can transform a place. Fill them with a few relics and sprinkle on some faith and you will fall in love with them too.
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There are specific guidelines for the construction and placement of stupas.Malcolm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:14 amWould recommend you don’t.Queequeg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:03 amI plan to build a stupa in my yard. Wondering how big I can go without getting the building inspector on my case.Nemo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:11 pm Do you need one for your spiritual development? Probably not.
Are they useful as a support for magical activities like gaining merit, etc? Definitely yes.
95% of the matter and energy in the universe is of unknown composition and origin. Dark matter is a good analogy for the world we inhabit. We can see and interact with 5%. A shrine or shrine room is a scared space that can cross over into those unseen realms. Natural ones exist too.
I'm a big fan of stupas. Damn they can transform a place. Fill them with a few relics and sprinkle on some faith and you will fall in love with them too.
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Then there is selling your house, etc.PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:20 amThere are specific guidelines for the construction and placement of stupas.
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You can buy stone pagodas in a wide variety of sizes and styles, I mean lots of people will doubt the authenticity of such a thing, but factually a pagoda is symbolically the same thing, and will look "normal" such that no one would think twice, if you're worried about building inspectors, public eyes, etc.Queequeg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:03 amI plan to build a stupa in my yard. Wondering how big I can go without getting the building inspector on my case.Nemo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:11 pm Do you need one for your spiritual development? Probably not.
Are they useful as a support for magical activities like gaining merit, etc? Definitely yes.
95% of the matter and energy in the universe is of unknown composition and origin. Dark matter is a good analogy for the world we inhabit. We can see and interact with 5%. A shrine or shrine room is a scared space that can cross over into those unseen realms. Natural ones exist too.
I'm a big fan of stupas. Damn they can transform a place. Fill them with a few relics and sprinkle on some faith and you will fall in love with them too.
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when afflicted by disease
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Meditate upon Bodhicitta when sad
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when suffering occurs
Meditate upon Bodhicitta when you are scared
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Re: Is a shrine important
How does that fit in?
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Re: Is a shrine important
What if your buyers are not Buddhists and they decide to demolish your stupa for a hot tub?
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Lol. I'm the neighbor who doesn't give a shit about property value. And if the next owner want a hot tub, it's their property. But if things go as planned the property will become a temple ground in perpetuity. I'm not quite American in how I view my possessions. It's not all about commerce. It will be a dharma landmark. As Stupas are supposed to be.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
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Yes. I've looked into these. Next trip to Japan I'll look for one and see about shipping. Also a Jizo statue to bless passersby.Johnny Dangerous wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:08 amYou can buy stone pagodas in a wide variety of sizes and styles, I mean lots of people will doubt the authenticity of such a thing, but factually a pagoda is symbolically the same thing, and will look "normal" such that no one would think twice, if you're worried about building inspectors, public eyes, etc.Queequeg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:03 amI plan to build a stupa in my yard. Wondering how big I can go without getting the building inspector on my case.Nemo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:11 pm Do you need one for your spiritual development? Probably not.
Are they useful as a support for magical activities like gaining merit, etc? Definitely yes.
95% of the matter and energy in the universe is of unknown composition and origin. Dark matter is a good analogy for the world we inhabit. We can see and interact with 5%. A shrine or shrine room is a scared space that can cross over into those unseen realms. Natural ones exist too.
I'm a big fan of stupas. Damn they can transform a place. Fill them with a few relics and sprinkle on some faith and you will fall in love with them too.
I have my heritage as my pass. I can't appropriate my own culture.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
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Re: Is a shrine important
My comment was not directed towards resale value, but making sure the stupa is respected, not demolished, etc., after you sell. Most teachers I know discourage people from building stupas property that might in future be sold to non Buddhists.Queequeg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:22 pmLol. I'm the neighbor who doesn't give a shit about property value. And if the next owner want a hot tub, it's their property. But if things go as planned the property will become a temple ground in perpetuity. I'm not quite American in how I view my possessions. It's not all about commerce. It will be a dharma landmark. As Stupas are supposed to be.Malcolm wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:45 amThen there is selling your house, etc.PadmaVonSamba wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:20 am
There are specific guidelines for the construction and placement of stupas.
Also stupas are not merely dharma landmarks, they represent the mind of the Buddha.
Re: Is a shrine important
I feel it's already a very heavy responsibility to have Dharma statues in ones home. For example, they are very nice, but when I die, who will take care of these statues? I don't want them to be thrown in the dumpster, or sold on eBay, because they are not just "a statue". Thus there's a level of responsibility here which is important to take care of.
With something as big as a stupa, it's even more serious. After you have passed away, maybe your relatives or someone else sells the property or takes down the stupa, how can you know? And so having a stupa on it would be very bad. Better then to sponsor the construction of a stupa on some land where it will remain respected for however long into the future, and where it would benefit many instead of few.
With something as big as a stupa, it's even more serious. After you have passed away, maybe your relatives or someone else sells the property or takes down the stupa, how can you know? And so having a stupa on it would be very bad. Better then to sponsor the construction of a stupa on some land where it will remain respected for however long into the future, and where it would benefit many instead of few.
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Good points.
I am contemplating my time here as part of a continuous Buddhist community that I expect to endure beyond me. I simply assume that others will come along to take my place. I think this might have to do with the fact that I am part of a Buddhist world that has been Buddhist in to the haze of my ancestors. We have a sense of this being the way things are. I am doing my best to ensure a present community. I have the important implements of my ancestors and I expect to pass these on. I can only trust others will internalize these values and do their part and carry the responsibility for a while.
To have a mind of worry about what will become of my traces is pointless beyond passing dharma on to others and do my best to make sure those seeds take root now. Doing things like building enduring landmarks like Stupas and establishing temples are directly related to this.
No offense to you guys but you are converts and so this sense of continuity is not in your flesh. It can be and you are perfectly poised to pass this on and be part of the continuity.
I am contemplating my time here as part of a continuous Buddhist community that I expect to endure beyond me. I simply assume that others will come along to take my place. I think this might have to do with the fact that I am part of a Buddhist world that has been Buddhist in to the haze of my ancestors. We have a sense of this being the way things are. I am doing my best to ensure a present community. I have the important implements of my ancestors and I expect to pass these on. I can only trust others will internalize these values and do their part and carry the responsibility for a while.
To have a mind of worry about what will become of my traces is pointless beyond passing dharma on to others and do my best to make sure those seeds take root now. Doing things like building enduring landmarks like Stupas and establishing temples are directly related to this.
No offense to you guys but you are converts and so this sense of continuity is not in your flesh. It can be and you are perfectly poised to pass this on and be part of the continuity.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
Re: Is a shrine important
Not a matter of either or. There are ways to legally establish enduring landmarks protected by law. It just takes money and money is something that can be gathered with saavy and effort.Norwegian wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:23 pm I feel it's already a very heavy responsibility to have Dharma statues in ones home. For example, they are very nice, but when I die, who will take care of these statues? I don't want them to be thrown in the dumpster, or sold on eBay, because they are not just "a statue". Thus there's a level of responsibility here which is important to take care of.
With something as big as a stupa, it's even more serious. After you have passed away, maybe your relatives or someone else sells the property or takes down the stupa, how can you know? And so having a stupa on it would be very bad. Better then to sponsor the construction of a stupa on some land where it will remain respected for however long into the future, and where it would benefit many instead of few.
You guys are so pessimistic and negative. Fear is not conducive to endurance.
There is no suffering to be severed. Ignorance and klesas are indivisible from bodhi. There is no cause of suffering to be abandoned. Since extremes and the false are the Middle and genuine, there is no path to be practiced. Samsara is nirvana. No severance achieved. No suffering nor its cause. No path, no end. There is no transcendent realm; there is only the one true aspect. There is nothing separate from the true aspect.
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,
-Guanding, Perfect and Sudden Contemplation,