seeker242 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:20 am
So your claims are extraordinary and need extraordinary proof, not just opinions.
I don't need extraordinary proof to prove your claims are bogus. All I need to do is show that you have no actual evidence for them. The burden of proof is on you to back it up, and you have not because you cannot, because they're false. Unless you can prove otherwise, which you have yet to do.
Facts do not need proof, whereas theories do.
Fact is, that humans survived, lived, thrived and evolved during millions of years on three kinds of diets: carnivorous, omnivorous and vegetarian.
All three are composed of various percentages of plant- and animal-based foods.
The proof that these kind of diets are capable of sustaining human health is the fact that we still have not perished as the human race.
Veganism has never been part of this, so its ability of sustaining human health is not fact-based.
Veganism is purely theory- and ideology based.
The only fact that we know about veganism is that it is impossible to survive this diet without the help of industrially synthesized supplements.
And these are much more than just Vit. B12 and Omega3 fats. (Think about carnitine,Vit A, Vit. D and many more)
All these supplements occur in nature only in animal-based foods. For vegans these need to be synthesized chemically, because
their extraction from animal sources would negate veganism in itself.
The problems with civilizational illnesses began in the twentieth century when industry and lobbies began meddling with nutrition.
The chemical industry created agrochemicals, GMO, food processing industry and food processing chemicals. Around the same time
the chemical industry began meddling with medicines and the pharmaceutical industry was born.
The superiority of these new products vs. traditional ones had to be proven in order to be sold. So large-scale meddling with scientific research by these lobbies began. Big Pharma, Big Chem, Food processing industry and Agricultural Industry are all part of it. They infiltrated, bought, pressured, intimidated scientists systematically in order to get the results favorable to them.
This way nutritional ideologies were born.
The hallmark of manipulated scientific research are epidemiological (correlational) studies. Though all scientists know that correlation
does not imply causation, these kind of studies are routinely used in order to get the "proper" results. They constitute the vast majority
of studies about nutrition.
The next pet project of these lobbies is veganism because it creates an absolute dependence on synthetically produced products (supplements)
and on processed food ("food fortification"). And in case this does not work out, on pharmaceuticals.