seeker242 wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:43 pm
tatpurusa wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:31 pm
tatpurusa wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 12:08 pm
Vegan diet might be a better than the standard American diet, but I do not compare it with that.
No, you claimed it's inherently nutritionally deficient, unnatural, which is irrelevant, and even dangerous, which it is not.
Of course you have to make the notion of "natural" irrelevant in order to make veganism look a bit better.
"Natural" has nothing to do with good or bad (as you would like me to have claimed.) In this context it means "corresponding to the nature of human physiology". That means the nutrients and real foods that our organisms have adapted to thrive on during our millions of years long evolution.
An this was in most cases an omnivorous diet. In this sense veganism is yes, unnatural.
Though there have been examples of peoples and cultures living on vegetarian diets (like in India); there has never in human history existed
a people or culture that lived on a pure vegan diet, ever. Some animal products have always been included, for a reason.
On the other hand, there have existed several peoples who thrived on an almost exclusiviely animal-sourced diet (like the Eskimos and others) with excellent health.
By the way those stories (and many more) of vegan children with extreme malnutrition are authentic.
None of which have anything to do with the inherent nature of a vegan diet. Such circumstances are easily avoidable.
Not so easily. You have to include industrially produced supplements, many different ones in order to stay healthy longer term.
In case of children these missing nutrients are much more devastating and dangerous.