What qualified teacher exactly allowed and empowered Buddha to practice and to become enlightened?
Signs from the Dakinis?
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Also, a qualified teacher instructing a student doesn't automatically make the student worthy.
According to Longchen Rabjam:
So obviously a student is either worthy or not, completely independant of the allowance, empowernment of acceptance of a teacher.
Otherwise dakinis wouldn't kill off certain sorts of students plus their teachers who obviously officially taught and accepted them as their students!
According to Longchen Rabjam:
Keith Dowman, Old Man Basking in the Sun, pg. 238If this discipline regarding the heart-essence is abused certain obstacle-creating demons and spirits
and skilled dakinis can bring teacher and student under a cloud of fear and to untimely death,
and through adverse criticism the way of the heart will decline; for this reason abandon unresponsive people.
So obviously a student is either worthy or not, completely independant of the allowance, empowernment of acceptance of a teacher.
Otherwise dakinis wouldn't kill off certain sorts of students plus their teachers who obviously officially taught and accepted them as their students!
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Shakyamuni was already a buddha long before he manifested on earth.
Don't be unresponsive then, problem solved.Void wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:45 pm Also, a qualified teacher instructing a student doesn't automatically make the student worthy.
According to Longchen Rabjam:Keith Dowman, Old Man Basking in the Sun, pg. 238If this discipline regarding the heart-essence is abused certain obstacle-creating demons and spirits
and skilled dakinis can bring teacher and student under a cloud of fear and to untimely death,
and through adverse criticism the way of the heart will decline; for this reason abandon unresponsive people.
So obviously a student is either worthy or not, completely independant of the allowance, empowernment of acceptance of a teacher.
Otherwise dakinis wouldn't kill off certain sorts of students plus their teachers who obviously officially taught and accepted them as their students!
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So all his life's journey to become enlightened was just a farce then?
Not being able to read and to understand quotes correctly
seems pretty unresponsive to me.
Your luck that this isn't the reason why dakinis get into action (see quote!).
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If you think that spreading the dharma in this realm is a farce, then yes.
I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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"Total buddhahood" is achieved while being alive through "the great transfer". So you achieve it right here and don't need to go to any other realm to get it.
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First and foremost his life's jouney was to figure out a way to get enlightened himself,
then he instructed students.
So why did he need to get enlightened if he already was enlightened before he even started his journey?
The reason is "abuse of the heart-essence" (which is not more precisely defined in the text), not being "unresponsive".
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You can read about that in Mahayana sutras and their commentaries.
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Because I am not interested in convincing you, and because arguments almost never lead anywhere.
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I remember now who this user is. Previous nickname was ZOOM, and claimed to know more about Dzogchen than anybody on this planet. Of course, never having received any kind of empowerment or direct introduction...
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one and the same.
"All phenomena of samsara depend on the mind, so when the essence of mind is purified, samsara is purified. Since the phenomena of nirvana depend on the pristine consciousness of vidyā, because one remains in the immediacy of vidyā, buddhahood arises on its own. All critical points are summarized with those two." - Longchenpa
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So far, no one of the official dzogchen students of official and qualified dzogchen teachers in western countries achieved the end goal of dzogchen, namely rainbow body (not to mention the great transfer),
no matter how many empowernments and direct introductions they got.
Those are the facts.
If that situation changes, then I'll immedeately apply for official studentship of an official and qualified dzogchen teacher.
Until then, I prefer to rely on my superior intelligence and understanding (repeatedly scientifically proven IQ near 160) and on my extensive interdisciplinary studies (mostly dzogchen and mahamudra texts) and my personal practice efforts.
Dudjom Lingpa lead 13 of his students to rainbow body, what are the results of today's dzogchen teachers in the western countries?
Why is the situation as it is?
Are the western dzogchen students simply incapable or what are the reasons to explain the current non-existent western buddhas?
I honestly think that those questions need to be addressed.
And why is nobody besides me even asking them?
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I would immedeately apply for studentship of any teacher who lead at least one of his western students to rainbow body.amanitamusc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:36 pm Have found a teacher since your Zoom days? You do show interest.
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This is an ask-your-teacher kind of question.Void wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:44 pmClarifying the Natural State - Dakpo Tashi NamgyalEven though you have attained the realization of greater One Taste, if you fail to have some degree of clairvoyance
and receive signs from the dakinis, you must be tainted by damaged samayas.
What are possible so-called "signs from the dakinis", which seem to indicate significant training progress in Mahamudra (and most likely also in Dzogchen)?
Are there quotes in Mahamudra or Dzogchen literature which describe those?
Thanks!
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I need to get from New York to Los Angeles. I could take one of many commercial flights that is available to me, but instead I'll piss and moan until someone plops a fully-functional jetpack in my lap.Void wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:48 pmSo far, no one of the official dzogchen students of official and qualified dzogchen teachers in western countries achieved the end goal of dzogchen, namely rainbow body (not to mention the great transfer),
no matter how many empowernments and direct introductions they got.
Those are the facts.
If that situation changes, then I'll immedeately apply for official studentship of an official and qualified dzogchen teacher.
Until then, I prefer to rely on my superior intelligence and understanding (repeatedly scientifically proven IQ near 160) and on my extensive interdisciplinary studies (mostly dzogchen and mahamudra texts) and my personal practice efforts.
Dudjom Lingpa lead 13 of his students to rainbow body, what are the results of today's dzogchen teachers in the western countries?
Why is the situation as it is?
Are the western dzogchen students simply incapable or what are the reasons to explain the current non-existent western buddhas?
I honestly think that those questions need to be addressed.
And why is nobody besides me even asking them?
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Your superior intelligence should have told you that, even if a disciple is going to attain the rainbow body, this is in all likelihood going to happen after the teacher attains the rainbow body. So, by the time you have this kind of proof the teacher in question will be already gone. This is also probably not going to happen as long as there are no disciples currently spending decades of their life in retreat.Void wrote: ↑Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:48 pmSo far, no one of the official dzogchen students of official and qualified dzogchen teachers in western countries achieved the end goal of dzogchen, namely rainbow body (not to mention the great transfer),
no matter how many empowernments and direct introductions they got.
Those are the facts.
If that situation changes, then I'll immedeately apply for official studentship of an official and qualified dzogchen teacher.
Until then, I prefer to rely on my superior intelligence and understanding (repeatedly scientifically proven IQ near 160) and on my extensive interdisciplinary studies (mostly dzogchen and mahamudra texts) and my personal practice efforts.
Dudjom Lingpa lead 13 of his students to rainbow body, what are the results of today's dzogchen teachers in the western countries?
Why is the situation as it is?
Are the western dzogchen students simply incapable or what are the reasons to explain the current non-existent western buddhas?
I honestly think that those questions need to be addressed.
And why is nobody besides me even asking them?
As for the rest, it is well known that practice without empowerment is useless, and possibly very harmful. But since you know that and ignore it, you may be beyond help.