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- Sat Jul 29, 2023 9:52 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
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Re: American Soto Zen
I do not understand from your response if you think SBZA is a Soto Zen International office or not - there are important differences. No, of course those are two entities. Just Shumucho had this idea to encourage priests affiliated with sokanbu-i.e. international division of soto shu, to form anoth...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 8:51 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
I can not think of any other organization like SZBA, i have lived in Europe for so long now that i think i would know. from the SZBA website History of the SZBA The SZBA was formed in 1996, in relation to the Japanese Sotoshu but autonomous . ...... Perhaps you are thinking of the Soto Zen Internat...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:49 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
I don't know why you have "halfquoted" me - maybe I'm not explaint rightly- but acting in that way, I think we may lost the main point of this thread, I am really sorry I did not mean that. I just referred only to this one sentence about kensho. Not about entire problem. But since it stru...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:38 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
Yes, its priests, but not for example, the SZBA’s preists. This I am not sure. The question is where do they register newly ordained. Also if they have their own sodos. Where do they register hossen and shiho. Similar organisations are in Europe etc. but they were established with cooperation of so...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:28 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
The SZBA is an organization independent of the Soto Shu. Only partly. this kind of organizations were supported by sokanbus-representative of shumucho- on every continent, not only in America. So it only looks from outside as if they are indeppendent, but with dependent soto priests. But even if th...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:21 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
Hi Matylda, why did they close? Most probably no unsui to train. In the case of Daijoji, which somehow is shokcking, I have no idea what happened. Azuma roshi was I think the last shike and abbot. But he was a scholar not zen master. Komazawa president etc. So probably training was dull. When Itaba...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:10 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
As a former Zen practitioner I’ve always appreciated Matylda’s breadth of knowledge and willingness to share it on this board, and feel that at least one poster above owes her an apology. No, really not. I understand people emotions concerning this very difficult matter. I understand and accept res...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 1:00 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
But japanese shumucho the administrative body over all soto school on all continents, is supervising the activity of its priests, whether Japanese or non-Japnese. They even give some financial support to those outside of Japan. So there is somehow institutional continuity in the sense of administra...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:12 am
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
These training halls are found at only about one hundred of the nearly 14,000 temples that constitute the modern Soto school. [/quote] No, there were never 100 training halls - senmon sodo. There were 21 and recently 2 were closed, very important ones, Hosshinji in Obama and Daijoji in Kanzawa. The...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:20 am
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
What we can conclude from the above is that there is no institutional continuity from Soto in Japan to America. But japanese shumucho the administrative body over all soto school on all continents, is supervising the activity of its priests, whether Japanese or non-Japnese. They even give some fina...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:17 am
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
Finally, kensho is not about someone who has seen something than others haven't seen it. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Yes it is. Well... in fact from the point of view of regular person, kensho is definitaly state which alters everything. Cuts away our dear views opinions and feelings. As one roshi put it in very plain ...
- Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:04 am
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
Are we talking about Japan or the US, here? It is not true that, in the US, "basically every priest has dharma transmission." Both, since we cannot disconnect this two things. Soto zen was transmitted to the US at certain point in the development of new soto doctrine which gained power in...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:52 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
Again, what is with the fatalism? I don't care if you think there is really no chance, but I am not sure what your plan is in disseminating this information. Can you tell me your intentions plainly? Dear Friend, thank you for your admonition. It is refreshing and turns things very well. I do not kn...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:22 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
Can you please propose something beyond "it's destroyed boohoo"? Again, imagining a better past is not relevant to life at this moment. They should take shikes from rinzai and/or obaku, and sort things out. It happened over 300 years ago and soto regined its vitality, just to loose it aga...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:12 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
The problem with all of this, Matylda, indeed the whole discussion, is verification. How is a person who has never experienced kensho/satori, etc. able to ascertain someone who has and thus select them as a teacher? It is an act of faith, pure and simple. And that faith then turns into a confirmati...
- Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:37 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
/C authentic soto zen that does not emphasise the importance of realisation, employ koans to any notable extent, but nonetheless train, study and teach in a manner that produces similar result to /B Yes I knew one or two teachers, who were very impressive, masters of shikan taza. But at least one o...
- Thu Jul 27, 2023 6:44 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
In the Gongpa Zangthal transmission, it is described thus: རང་འབྱུང་ཆོས་གསུམ༔ རྒྱུ་ལས་མ་བྱུང་བའི་འབྲས་བུ༔ སེམས་ལས་མ་བྱུང་བའི་སངས་རྒྱས༔ ལུང་ལ་མ་བརྟེན་པའི་མན་ངག་གོ༔ "The three self-originated dharmas are the result that does not arise from a cause, the buddhahood that does not come from the mind...
- Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:47 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
- Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:34 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
Generally I think that koan practice nowdays does not secures realization, neither shikan taza could block it. To think about koan that brings kensho is wrong. To think that shikan taza has no satori is also wrong. All, completely all depends only on whether one has enlightened guide, skilled in re...
- Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:09 pm
- Forum: Soto
- Topic: American Soto Zen
- Replies: 293
- Views: 19201
Re: American Soto Zen
There is also the possibility of /C authentic soto zen that does not emphasise the importance of realisation, employ koans to any notable extent, but nonetheless train, study and teach in a manner that produces similar result to /B So do you refer to the C point, which was not touched yet? do I und...