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- Sun Dec 24, 2023 10:02 am
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
No one is talking about an unconditioned mind though, not even the quote you're providing, it talks about an ultimate self not unconditioned mind. Such an unconditioned mind/awareness is what your interpretation seems to be, as you have stated before: Buddha nature is the unconditioned awareness th...
- Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:36 pm
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
The unconditioned is found via the undoing of conditions; the first and last delusion is the manas; it is the manas that allows greed and hate to arise via the activity of the conceptual consciousness. If the ending of the ending of greed, hate, and delusion left anything behind, what is left would...
- Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:10 pm
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
Depth of space is definitely perceived visually. So are holes in donuts. Depth, distance, those are not seeing space but the dimensions of visual objects. Holes, etc. are called the space element, and it is conditioned. What you are saying is that neither awareness nor objects to of awareness exist...
- Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:20 am
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
3D depth is a concept and you are also directly experiencing it. And if you have depth perception, then you are perceiving it with the senses. That is not even perceiving space but the spatial dimensions of visual objects, i.e. their form. But what is it which is aware of and experiences the ending...
- Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:29 pm
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
yes, I am perceiving the relative distance between objects. I am perceiving there is a hole in the middle of a donut. I have two functioning eyes and therefore depth perception. What you describe - and what I presume you call the obvious space - is the conditioned space, the space element. See for ...
- Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:17 pm
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
Most of the ontological refutations run into trouble the moment you point the same razor to Nirvana. Which is basically the same as Atman except it's not self and therefore not something that can ultimately be apprehended as real either. Atman has some defining qualities, like consciousness, perman...
- Fri Dec 22, 2023 7:08 pm
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
Space is not dependently arising. If so, then it cannot interact with anything, nothing could be in it, or 'take up space'. Aggregation and dependent arising are the criteria buddhist theory uses to refute the true existence of things. Space has neither, yet everything is obviously occupying space....
- Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:24 am
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
But that’s only if unconditioned awareness itself were a “thing” isn’t it? Space isn’t conditioned but things fill it. So why can’t things fill awareness without awareness being conditioned? Space, as a "non-thing" is simply a non-existent, a conceptual abstraction even on a conventional ...
- Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:01 am
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
Buddha nature not a functional thing; it is uncaused; it is realized as the unconditioned when the repository consciousness is emptied. If buddha nature has no function it is practically no different from being non-existent, since it does nothing and is good for nothing. So what's the point of even...
- Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:41 pm
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
Buddha nature is the unconditioned awareness that knows conditions. Such an unconditioned awareness is an impossibility, as no functional thing can be unconditioned, because function itself requires relating to other things. 'There is not anywhere anything That ever exists without depending. Thus n...
- Thu Dec 21, 2023 3:26 pm
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
So by this understanding, awareness itself isn’t a “thing” but is an interactive event between subject and object, each of which lacks inherent reality. Consciousness occurs as a result of the meeting of sense organ and sense object. 'Mendicants, consciousness exists dependent on a duality.' ( Duti...
- Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:29 pm
- Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
- Topic: Logical refutations of a permanent self
- Replies: 75
- Views: 3333
Re: Logical refutations of a permanent self
Those are objects of awareness, Even your reaction to the taste. Buddhism says that like/dislike is changing awareness but AV argues that the change happens within the scope of awareness. Awareness/consciousness/perception/knower/etc. is bound to, dependent on, defined by its object. An awareness t...
- Sat Dec 16, 2023 10:40 pm
- Forum: Help Required
- Topic: Enlightenment as soon as possible
- Replies: 9
- Views: 419
Re: Enlightenment as soon as possible
how can one achieves enlightenment in this life, as soon as possible, right now? 'With a preceding moment of deluded thought, one was an ordinary person, but with a succeeding moment of enlightened thought, one is a buddha. To be attached to one’s sensory realms in a preceding moment of thought is ...
- Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:03 pm
- Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
- Topic: “My mind isn’t like that”
- Replies: 32
- Views: 1739
Re: “My mind isn’t like that”
My assumption when people who don’t practice meditation say things like this is that they are likely wrong, and really haven’t looked at their minds well enough to know what’s going on well, because the skills to do so are not common. Is that fair, or just unfounded arrogance? If so, how would you ...
- Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:51 pm
- Forum: Ethical Conduct
- Topic: is there any relationship between secular law, the precepts and karma?
- Replies: 16
- Views: 1515
Re: is there any relationship between secular law, the precepts and karma?
could secular law or local customs directly or indirectly have influence on the working of the karma? could breaking the secular law by itself cause bad karma? If one has done something bad there is naturally a fear of being found out (AN 6.45), and recollecting one's virtues, living free of fear b...
- Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:15 pm
- Forum: Zen
- Topic: Dealing with a world of self-centeredness and malice
- Replies: 26
- Views: 1363
Re: Dealing with a world of self-centeredness and malice
Has Buddhism said anything related to this? Have you personally dealt with this problem? What do you think? Is it the world's problem or yours? If it's the world's, what does it matter to you? If yours, then you have a problem to solve for yourself, not the world. 'According to the purity of his mi...
- Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:46 am
- Forum: Zen
- Topic: Modern, advanced books on Zen
- Replies: 44
- Views: 2975
Re: Modern, advanced books on Zen
Which advanced books would you recommend from the past four or five decades? I recommend advancing beyond the "Zen" title and investigate the source material that has been studied and applied by all the outstanding bodhisattvas. Normally that means studying the sutras and treatises, but l...
- Tue Oct 03, 2023 4:00 pm
- Forum: Zen
- Topic: New to zen, Question on Tao
- Replies: 19
- Views: 1133
Re: New to zen, Question on Tao
'The main thrust of the non-Buddhist teachings, however, is to establish the conduct for humanity, not to inquire into its ultimate origin. The myriad things discussed in the two teachings are limited to the phenomenal world. Although they point to the great Dao as the root, they do not completely ...
- Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:51 pm
- Forum: Lounge
- Topic: Is there really a need for a pointing out instruction frpm
- Replies: 34
- Views: 1532
Re: Is there really a need for a pointing out instruction frpm
Look for the looker. If you find nothing, that’s the finding. You don’t need a master in a room to realise that. That may or may not be all right. The practical question is: then what? How does that help in eliminating all the ingrained unskilful and harmful habits? How does that help in developing...
- Fri Sep 22, 2023 3:45 pm
- Forum: Dharma in Everyday Life
- Topic: Middle Way
- Replies: 9
- Views: 1169
Re: Middle Way
distrust and avoid all kinds of extremes. Both asceticism and indulgence are bad for us when taken too far. Ditto doctrinaire fundamentalism and wishy-washy new-age-ism, loony-right politics and loony-left politics, and every other pair of extremes I can think of. That can easily take to a false mi...