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If the accounts of the Mahasiddhas are unsubstantiated rubbish, what about the accounts of Buddha Sakyamuni, TRC? What makes those accounts NOT unsubstantiated rubbish? For that matter, which account of Sakyamuni shall we discuss-the one where he was enlightened prior to his birth here, and merely ...

Adi wrote:Besides hundreds of biographies and contemporary accounts, what do you want?

As I asked previously: How this proves that the vajrayana path is quicker than any other paths?

This is not evidence that it is quicker than other paths.

That's a loud, bold claim you made there, about "unsubstantiated rubbish." So what path are you on, one where you can be so dismissively unkind to another Buddhist? adi You may or may not be right in your perception of "being unkind" Adi, but again this illustrates my point: that it's not the path,...

That is the point, the evidence is the hundreds of biographies of masters in Tibet who achieved Buddhahood or the bhumis. The evidence we have for Vajrayāna is the same evidence we have for the Buddha, the reports of their close disciples. I'm still waiting for some actual evidence that the vajraya...

Malcolm wrote:Do you have any evidence the Buddha was even awakened?

Oh come on, is that the best you can do?

Looks like we will just have to leave the "quickest path" rhetoric in that very category - rhetoric, without actual evidence.

Fundamentally, speaking, according to Vajrayāna texts, the extraordinary difference in time is due to the fact that Vajrayāna pratices uses the body as the vehicle for liberation , as well as other special methods, that allow a very serious practitioner to gather the two accumulations that normally...

The Chinese had a great wall to keep people out too.

It really is a sad recent history for the Tibetan people. First a brutal feudal theocracy, now a brutal dictatorship. Same shit different government.

I really do wish them well. They need a break.

So much for not talking about Rigpa. There's 3 pages of not talking about it already. It's been quite a fruitful discussion, and I think I've learnt quite a bit.

Fancy that, learning something through open discussion ...

Chase after external factors is ignorance. We are separate and connected at the same time. There is no need to imagine it all shiny oneness. If you hold a view of oneness, there is oneness. If you hold a view of separation, there is separation. But being free from the chase after sensuality, onenes...

oushi wrote:It all comes down to pleasure of no stress and no suffering. In that sense, this sutta is a profound teaching that presents both the problem and the solution, in simple and unquestionable way.

Yes, agree

Yes, I agree with what you say, I was referring to "dwelling sensitive to". This implies some kind of sensuality. But as you said, it is pleasure with an inner source, not dependent on the external world. I think I see what you are asking about oushi, the seeming paradox of still using the senses v...

Dwelling sensitive to unalloyed pleasure is greater than sensual pleasure. It what sense? It is pleasure that is not derived from sensuality. Or more specifically, it is not the pleasure that is derived from the contact with external and worldly objects (based of sense desire), but a refined pleasu...

If Christine A. Chandler could separate fact from emotion there might be something to discuss. She has quite clearly been hurt by her time as a Tibetan Buddhist. Something many of us can relate too. Yes I agree dharmagoat, I think her writing displays that there is still much emotional baggage she ...

You are a "super cool bodhisattva" reddust ... thank you for the link.

Never lose your sense of humour

There is also this practice that the Buddha mentioned too: The Blessed One said this: "This is the direct path for the purification of beings , for the overcoming of sorrow & lamentation, for the disappearance of pain & distress, for the attainment of the right method, & for the realization of Unbin...

Thanks for the link plwk. Interesting, Ajahn Brahmali just co-authored with Ajahn Sujato, the publication,The Authenticity of the Early Buddhist Texts. Should make for a good debate! http://www.ocbs.org/lectures-a-articles-ocbsmain-121/online-publications/69-online-publications/339-the-authenticity-...

I just had a thought! Buddhism was adopted by the Monarchy/State/Government/Authority in other lands, so maybe it will be adopted by Corporatism! Funding problems will be over :thumbsup: Yes, there does seem to be a cosiness emerging with Buddhism and Corporatism. This is unhealthy IMO. I don't thi...

I just had a thought! Buddhism was adopted by the Monarchy/State/Government/Authority in other lands, so maybe it will be adopted by Corporatism! Funding problems will be over :thumbsup: Yes, there does seem to be a cosiness emerging with Buddhism and Corporatism. This is unhealthy IMO. EDIT: In th...

So, responsibly conveying Dharma means making meaningless gestures of abstinence from the public eye, from two of the most well known Buddhist leaders in the world? Yes. "meaningless gestures" is your evaluation of it, but not mine. These appearances dumb-down the public expectation and understandi...