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by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:36 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

I just misread it, dude.
It was an honest mistake, and you can't ascribe any "anti-bonpo" attitude to me because of it.

Geez, lighten up, would you? Many of my posts (and, I think Dhondrup's as well) were trying to inject some humor into this otherwise-snarky thread.
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:22 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Sunyata and dependent origination
Replies: 154
Views: 32208

Re: Sunyata and dependent origination

Excellent, thank you.

One more, somewhat tangential, question, Namdrol, if I may....."Thamel Gyi Shepa." I know you're a Dzokchen guy, but you've studied some Mahamudra....do you feel this term refers to something "beyond" mind in the sense that we're talking about it here?
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:18 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Caveman- This isn't a "Bon" website, it's a Dharma website, which includes a Bon subforum, as Bon is a Tibetan Dharma tradition. Your original post, and in fact every post you've made since, except this last one, didn't specify that you were looking for only Bonpos to respond. And that, qu...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:58 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Yes, you are correct, and I misread. But I'd already reported the thread, and I've edited my post.
Good luck to you.
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:53 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

...but that would not have been "polite," now, would it?
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:44 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Sunyata and dependent origination
Replies: 154
Views: 32208

Re: Sunyata and dependent origination

So that I understand you correctly, the "Abiding in Mind without objects" is the method, and involves the mind (Mental consciousness), which is "what we work with" when meditating on emptiness, but the "results" of such method are beyond mind. Yes?
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:39 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

How by running out the back door of the palace in the middle of the night and not having the balls to face your Father, Wife and new born son. By spending 7 years with dope smoking Shivites? Please don't tell that your defense for it lacks simple logic. Buddha faced nothing not even his own cowardi...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:56 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Lesseee, facing the maras and the Lord of Death while under the Bodhi Tree, or the angry wife at the doorstep after I forget the gallon of milk....hmmmm.....


I choose the Maras and Lord of Death.

:thinking: :smile:
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:53 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Sunyata and dependent origination
Replies: 154
Views: 32208

Re: Sunyata and dependent origination

Right, but then.... Abiding in the mind without objects has the characteristic of space; that meditation of space is held to be the meditation of emptiness. doesn't this imply that in "the meditation of emptiness" (equivalent to "realization?") one "abides" in the mind ...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:49 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

I hope we can have a polite yet critical discussion on this topic. I especially liked the word "polite" here..... So there it is, can you be fully enlightened without facing all the challenges that married life in Samsara and Nirvana can throw at you? Can I? I dunno. But I think we've ind...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:20 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Sunyata and dependent origination
Replies: 154
Views: 32208

Re: Sunyata and dependent origination

Namdrol, if, as Shantideva says, the "realization" is beyond mind, I can understand how the presence or absence of thoughts as contents of consciosness makes no difference. Is it not, then, the very Space-like" nature of consciousness, which may or may not contain the clouds of though...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:04 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Sunyata and dependent origination
Replies: 154
Views: 32208

Re: Sunyata and dependent origination

In other words, "Conceptualization" is not the coarse level of "mulling it over," which you claim some have "put aside."

Instead, it's the entire contents of the mental consciousness, I think. Mental images of perceptions, intuitions, etc.
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:02 pm
Forum: Mahāyāna Buddhism
Topic: Sunyata and dependent origination
Replies: 154
Views: 32208

Re: Sunyata and dependent origination

I'm not disagreeing either, and I find this thread quite interesting. I don't think any of the sense consciousnesses are "intentional," actually. And even the Mental consciousness, I would say, is not "intentional" per se. As for why we suddenly perceive one thing, then another, ...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:49 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Back in those days, Caveman, lots of people were in arranged marriages. How in the world can you possibly know what they felt, other than by the written accounts (based on oral accounts) that we have now? Namdrol has indicated that Rahula was "pissed." I trust he has read sources that indi...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:34 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

Namdrol wrote:Actually, Rahula was pretty pissed at his father, in fact.

N
Yeah. Initially, right?
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:32 pm
Forum: Gelug
Topic: H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama and his eventual successors
Replies: 27
Views: 7830

Re: H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama and his eventual successors

Nice of you to predict the future, Caveman. I wouldn't be sure about that.
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:28 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

And you Sir are only guessing about why the buddha did what he did. Deeds Speak and you can make up all the reasons but Sir you will never convince a woman that leaving your wife and child for the dharma is OK. They do not consider this enlightened or compassion in action. They call it cowardly! Of...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:14 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

The buddhas message as buddha, as example or actual person, was the middle way. NOt the right way wrong way nor good or bad way. To leave family and such with others may on occasion be the best choice considering the circumstance. Such was the circumstance. We all must make choices in life, none ar...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:08 pm
Forum: Bön
Topic: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?
Replies: 131
Views: 28286

Re: Was the Buddha "FULLY" enlightened?

N...is 100% correct. In the world of tribal leadership. lords kings and all that, the first born was not necessarily compeled to become the ruler. Some did not have the predispostion. The accomodation was, the first born must if no heir was aviilable produce a heir to continue the line. Such was do...
by conebeckham
Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:48 pm
Forum: Gelug
Topic: H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama and his eventual successors
Replies: 27
Views: 7830

Re: H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama and his eventual successors

May His Holiness the Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso live long, and continue to benefit all beings.

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