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by michaelb
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:48 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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I’ve read the whole thing— there is no mention of such an identification. In any case, ChNN has far greater mastery of Tibetan History and literature than any other Tibetan of his generation. It goes without saying then that his expertise in these far outstrips yours or mine. So, if he asserts that...
by michaelb
Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:02 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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Total success. ChNN always gave transmissions exactly as he got them. So if you found a contradiction in Adzom’s writings, now Is the time to put up or shut up. Why? The onus is on you because you raised the issue. Everyone else trusts their teacher. It is not about trust or faith or whatever. It i...
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:08 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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Crazywisdom wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:07 pm
michaelb wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:57 pm
Crazywisdom wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:54 pm ChNN Drolod was a terma from Adzom Drugpa. So different terma have different background narratives.
please show me where Adzom Drukpa said ANYTHING like the tigress is Ati Muwer.
ChNN tells the story in his transmissions. Show me where it’s contradicted.
LOL. Nice try. :rolling:
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:58 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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Norwegian wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:51 pm
What's a shame is that you seem to completely miss the point.
And what is the point?
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:57 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
Replies: 212
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Crazywisdom wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:54 pm ChNN Drolod was a terma from Adzom Drugpa. So different terma have different background narratives.
please show me where Adzom Drukpa said ANYTHING like the tigress is Ati Muwer.
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:55 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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According to the late SHENPHEN DAWA RINPOCHE, HH Dudjom Rinoche's son by his second wife, Drollo and Putri Regpung both share Namchag Putri as the source for their further Dzogchen instructions. If you don't believe him, or you doubt my testimony about what he said to me personally, what else can I...
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:47 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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I think we should treat the claim with care. I don't. He is my guru. he was a terton. YMMV. He maintained the same point of view from 1992 when I first heard this, to the only time he ever taught Drollo, a few years ago. It's a shame that nobody asked for more information on this point since 1992. ...
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:12 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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If I am correct it means that with Drolo you can easily accomplish kilaya activities. And you can't if you, for example, accomplish Hayagriva? Don't get me wrong, but there are real differences between the Phurba and Drollo practices, mandalas, secondary activities, etc. in the Dudjom Tersar. They ...
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:09 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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What matters here is what is presented in the tradition of such and such Dorje Drollo cycle as found in Vajrayana. Can you please show me what Vajrayana tradition presents the tiger as Ati Muwer. Which terma is it from? Who was the terton? Where is it written down anywhere? The problem here seems t...
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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Crazywisdom wrote: Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:30 pm Drolod is Dzogchen.
And, what does that mean, exactly?
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:56 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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Palden Gyatso (17th century) writes in his History of Kilaya : At the cave of the Glorious Tiger's Lair in Paro, he engaged in the practice of Vajrakīlaya and Vajra Wrath (rdo rje khro bo) rode the tiger and liberated all māras and samaya breakers with the magic power of piercing and conquering the...
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:41 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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As a simple soul if I am using a sadhana I use the descriptions associated with it as transmitted by the Guru. That is always the 'right' description. Different Drolo sadhanas from different termas, different visualisations............can't see a problem. :smile: Fair enough. I like to understand t...
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:51 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
Replies: 212
Views: 24160

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As a simple soul if I am using a sadhana I use the descriptions associated with it as transmitted by the Guru. That is always the 'right' description. Different Drolo sadhanas from different termas, different visualisations............can't see a problem. :smile: Fair enough. I like to understand t...
by michaelb
Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:42 am
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
Replies: 212
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In jatson Nyingpos terma the tigress is Yeshe Tsogyal... I've read in another terma (do not remember which)it is Shakyadevi Ait Muwer is also mentioned as tigress in...???.... I think it was Dudjom Lingpa's terma - not only in Adzom Drugpa's If you could give me a reference for either Dudjom Lingpa...
by michaelb
Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:05 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
Replies: 212
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Of course if something is straight out wrong and inaccurate, then that is to be discarded, like faulty translations or what have you not. But if the source is a realized master and terton, like Kunzang Dechen Lingpa, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu, Dudjom Rinpoche, Khenpo Jigme Phuntsok Rinpoche, and so on,...
by michaelb
Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:05 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
Replies: 212
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You never know with CHNN, it might be something he learned in his dreams. One never knows. True. And I'm not opposed to a multiplicity of ideas, just as long as these ideas and stories are presented as one of a number rather than the only account. Dudom Rinpoche's collected works, vol 15; ppg. 115-...
by michaelb
Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:53 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
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Seems like there are different versions of the explanation of Dorje Drolo's tigress mount. " No doubt. Here's a discussion from a Bhutanese perspective. https://somkinga.wordpress.com/2014/07/27/who-is-the-tigress-in-the-lair-a-preliminary-enquiry-about-khandro-yeshe-tshogyels-visit-to-taktsang/
by michaelb
Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:36 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
Replies: 212
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all DT lamas I've ever asked reject the idea that Drolo is "considered something like the essence of Kilaya." Some dedicated DT Phurba and Drolo practitioners I've asked have no idea what Malcolm was actually going on about. According to the DT Drollo chronicle, while at Paro Taktsang, Guru Rinpoch...
by michaelb
Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:21 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
Replies: 212
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OK so, a couple things: In the world of Vajrayana, where quite a lot of amazing stories are told, of various things happening, either demons manifesting as this or that or Buddhas manifesting as this or that, with all kinds of miracles, and so on and so forth, the one big hiccup you have - of all t...
by michaelb
Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:00 pm
Forum: Tibetan Buddhism
Topic: Guru Rinpoche As...
Replies: 212
Views: 24160

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It's explained in the text TEACHINGS ON THE PRACTICE OF DORJE TROLOD Saw that it was already discussed here aboard. https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=9816 Herewith i am enough informed about the aspect of D.T. and am happy to know that Drollo is considered something like the essence of Kilaya...

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