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I see, so you are refusing to apologize. Figures, since you also,just admitted to being sectarian. Fruit never falls far from the Shugden tree . now who is being sectarian... what are you saying now...what does that even mean what i underlined and i did apologize ..obviously you did not read the wh...

Perhaps it would be easier and more to the point to àpologize to the three Jewels and to Lord Nagarjuna than to members of the message board. Just thinking out loud. I have a relationship with the three jewels for like ever...they understand me ... i was wrong and now malcolm wants a pound of flesh...

Yes, and you need to apologize for making an unfounded objection based in your sectarian biases and lack of education in the sutras of the Buddha and writings of Nagarjuna. I always admit when i'm wrong....this past few weeks have been a lesson in extremes for me.. I see, so you are refusing to apo...

At this point I am beginning to think that you're deliberately trolling. The third of the four extremes (of the tetralemma), is "both existence and nonexistence" , the view you claimed is right view, the view you claim is taught by Nagarjuna. Which of course is complete nonsense. And you are comple...

I see now that I was wrong Yes, and you need to apologize for making an unfounded objection based in your sectarian biases and lack of education in the sutras of the Buddha and writings of Nagarjuna. I always admit when i'm wrong....this past few weeks have been a lesson in extremes for me.. in ord...

Ok so it’s not Tibetan commentary and just a translation.
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When I said I know this stuff Mr C I meant I read it and i felt it wasn’t addressing my thinking that the these words were commentary.

I see now that I was wrong

Thanks for helping to everyone that did.

At this point I am beginning to think that you're deliberately trolling. The third of the four extremes (of the tetralemma), is "both existence and nonexistence" , the view you claimed is right view, the view you claim is taught by Nagarjuna. Which of course is complete nonsense. And you are comple...

Here Minobu, look for yourself; http://promienie.net/images/dharma/books/nagarjuna_mulamadhyamakakarika.pdf Chapter 18 ========================== 8. Everything is real and is not real, Both real and not real, Neither real nor not real. This is Lord Buddha's teaching. To state everything is real and...

Minobu, Nothing that I posted was from Dzogchen, nothing at all whatsoever . I cited Nagarjuna (from his Śūnyatāsaptati), his student Aryadeva (from his Catuḥśataka), and another Indian shastra, as well as the Prajnaparamita Ratnagunasamcayagatha (which exists in English translation by Conze). This...

Removed provocative post. I suggest awaiting Caoimhghín's response. i see ok could you please edit out the provocative part which i don't know and leave all the Nichiren stuff i was talking to the Nichiren forum here.. so please edit out what you deem provocative at your pleasure and leave the impo...

Caoimhghín wrote: ↑Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:42 am Malcolm is correct here. You are wrong here. Ven Nāgārjuna directly and explicitly outlines "free of four extremes." I'll post more when I get to a computer.

ok you i trust...

show me please the exact wording...and ill show you what i mean...

look for what it's worth to actually get a clear usable understanding of Sunyata ...the words and wording to attain this are like a garden path...changing it cause you think it is better...thats what Malcolm did .. well maybe malcolm is just teaching the dzogchen thing so much it got blurred into hi...

this is not pure Lord Nagarjuna it's tweeked .. That things simultaneously exist and don't exist, that they are slightly real and slightly unreal, is silly. Think about it for a second with an undoctrinated mind and you will see this. [Root text] If we say that both existence and nonexistence combi...

this is Malcolm's way of inserting his view from studying this from another source and trying to meld it to make the other source viable. Norwegian provided direct quotes. Now maybe you have no connection to Dzogchen, in which case there may not be much that can be done there; but don’t let Malcolm...

existence, nonexistence, both, and neither. this is not the words of Lord Nagarjuna Buddha. you will not find these words together in the original teachings for they obscure the process of coming to see the view Lord Nagarjuna Buddha left us. What idiot blasphemy. Go do some repentance, Minobu. Thi...

if you read in this thread what i said about Malcolm and his introduction of other than Lord Nargarjuna's teaching on said subject is true. it's a subtle thing to add existence, nonexistence, both, and neither. this is not the words of Lord Nagarjuna Buddha. you will not find these words together in...

But Malcolm is not teaching actual Lord Nargarjuna version. You really need to receive teachings on these topics, and then study them over and over again, many times. The tetralemma of Nagarjuna is not his invention, as such, it is a distillation of the Buddha's teachings, as found in the texts lik...

AFAIK, he is claiming that Ven Nāgārjuna taught that all dharmas are slightly real and slightly unreal, the "both" option from the negated tetralemma. The claim I believe comes from the "Response to PadmavonSamba" thread. It was: "according to sunyata it's a view of existence and nonexistence both ...

anyway the thing is Q i wasn't talking anything about Nichiren and His views... I'm talking about putting words into lord Nargajuna's work and saying it His words.. just because some dzogchen guy decides this is it ...well thats ok if you want to go about a different thing...knock yourselves out... ...

3. Those who think that Nagarjuna is rejected should consider his appearance on Nichiren's mandalas. There's a saying, if you don't know where you came from, you don't know where you are. Nichirenists taking that rhetoric about discarding the provisional have worked themselves into a corner that va...