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So the country that just spent 6 trillion dollars killing 500,000 Muslims since 9/11 is very upset that some human rights were violated. You certainly are the experts. Wait up now.We also have great oil deals in Iraq for those trillions spent.This would all be fodder for another thread ,since it is...

explicitly, the Buddha has taught that no one in this degenerate era can attain buddhahood by any means apart from Vajrayāna But is this taught anywhere except for within Vajrayāna? It really does seem very much like ‘triumphalism’ - ‘our school/movement/dispenstation is the only real or authentic ...

I say no. Fight. Be angry. Make this world better for our children through action. And not through passivity or prayer but by action. You might be a Lotus Sutra Buddhist - except the "be angry" part. Anger clouds the mind and makes one less effective, and ultimately leads to one's downfall. Determi...

Well, if a teacher isn't going to rough a student up, life will take up that task for them anyway. Tough luck going in either direction.

There actually wasn’t a #MeToo movement back then for displeased/violated women to come out against Kunley. Relevance? I was talking about the probability that a guru displaying his activities is more likely to be genuine or a fraud. I didn't bring up #MeToo, but you have done so repeatedly in this...

Let's not forget Drukpa Kunley . He was known for his crazy methods of enlightening other beings, mostly women, which earned him the title "The Saint of 5,000 Women". Among other things, women would seek his blessing in the form of sex. His intention was to show that it is possible to be enlightene...

Let's not forget Drukpa Kunley . He was known for his crazy methods of enlightening other beings, mostly women, which earned him the title "The Saint of 5,000 Women". Among other things, women would seek his blessing in the form of sex. His intention was to show that it is possible to be enlightened...

So do you: 1. Consider it not to be sexual abuse of any kind? 2. Believe that the report gives no grounds to consider him unsuitable as a guru? He was abusing his position IMO. Like I said, it seems he had trouble relating to women non-sexually. I can't make a call on "unsuitable as a guru" because...

PeterC wrote: ↑Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:51 amYou believe that his actions do not constitute sexual abuse and potentially attempted rape?

Mipham's case is not rape. It is sexual misconduct.

We are not talking about consenting adults in this thread. We are talking about sexual abuse. That's a big difference. We can discuss professional and legal aspects such as consent not being consent with religious leaders, but I've read the reports and I don't fault Mipham R. for thinking they were...

You did the math? Screw the math. Molesting young boys is worse than consenting adult women. We are not talking about consenting adults in this thread. We are talking about sexual abuse. That's a big difference. We can discuss professional and legal aspects such as consent not being consent with re...

Yes, but a separate issue from scandals in Western Dharma centers. CHNN has often spoke openly about sexual predation that he witnessed at his monastery as a young tulku. Of course. It happens with monastics too, worse. You did the math? Screw the math. Molesting young boys is worse than consenting...

Shocking... https://www.elephantjournal.com/2013/06/what-lies-beneath-the-robes-are-buddhist-monasteries-suitable-places-for-children-adele-wilde-blavatsky/ Yes, but a separate issue from scandals in Western Dharma centers. CHNN has often spoke openly about sexual predation that he witnessed at his...

I am sure you accept that there can be no lawful consent between doctors, health providers, social workers, psychologists, etc., and their patients/clients. Why should it be any different with students of Dharma teachers? You're 110% right, and it should be like that, but it's not like there is a p...

Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:10 pm

Snowbear wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:08 pm

Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:04 pm

Yes, they do, but not with such frequency.

You did the math?

I've been in the Buddhist scene for 35 years. I've done the math. I know about scandals you have never heard of and never will. Not from my lips.

Fine, but that's not math.

Malcolm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:04 pm

Snowbear wrote: ↑Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:57 pm I'm sure scandals happen with monastics too, man.

Yes, they do, but not with such frequency.

You did the math?

Honestly this whole "monks do it better" thing is kind of an absurd digression. The best guru is one who can really benefit you. To take some obvious examples, are ChNN or HSTT somehow inferior gurus because they are not monks? :focus: They are both qualify as glorious gurus, palden lamas. And it i...

Thanks - it would seem that the 'attainment of stages of awakening' is the key - otherwise we are talking about monastic hierarchy (?). Look carefully: Unless he has attained the stages of awakening, A layman is not to be venerated as a [tantric] master, [not even] by a king. This says nothing abou...

I don't see any violence, stalking, or child sex in the reports. In fact, when one woman finally spoke up and said no, he apologized, left, and ended the relationship. Forcing someone”s head onto your penis isn’t violent? Btw, HW frequently apologized to victims of his sexual assaults. I guess that...

Yes, actually it does. By far and away in the history of India and Tibet, the majority of qualified gurus have been fully ordained monks. Try reading some history for a change rather than making embarrassingly mistaken assertions about things of which you are clearly ill-informed. That's a broad de...