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dakini_boi wrote:I'm wondering about protocols involving protectors in various lineages. A while ago, a kagyu friend told me that he is required to give a physical offering to the protectors every day - i.e. it's not a good idea to call on protectors without making an offering. Since then, I have been kind of hesitant to do any practice that calls on protectors, although I know the same rules don't apply in DC. What I'm wondering is - does this difference characterize general difference in how kagyu vs. nyingma deal with protectors? Or is it an example of ChNNR's always going for the essence of the teachings?
Namdrol wrote:But the idea that guardians are jealous gods who might punish you because you don't feed them everyday is a very primitive concept. Therefore, in the DC we do not worry about it so much.
Dronma wrote:Namdrol wrote:But the idea that guardians are jealous gods who might punish you because you don't feed them everyday is a very primitive concept. Therefore, in the DC we do not worry about it so much.
Nevertheless, it is not good (like Rinpoche says) to correct practitioners from other lineages. Each one has to follow the instructions which he/she got from his/her Guru.
Namdrol wrote:I wasn't correcting anyone, I was answering his question.
dakini_boi wrote:Thank you all.
Namdrol, this is what I figured, and you have set my mind at ease. Is this generally how guardian offerings are regarded in other Dzogchen-heavy Nyingma lineages?
Also, is it even necessary to have a separate plate for the 3 roots when doing (informal) tsog by oneself or in a small group?
Namdrol wrote:If you are turning your meal into a Ganapuja there is no need for a seperate plate, just make sure you leave some remainder.
dakini_boi wrote:Namdrol wrote:If you are turning your meal into a Ganapuja there is no need for a seperate plate, just make sure you leave some remainder.
Is this remainder to be regarded as the 3-roots offering, or the offering of the remainders, or both?
Thank you, as usual, your input is invaluable in demystifying these things.
You do not need to do protector offerings at all in the DC. Why? It is because the job of the protectors is to protect the transmission and the transmission lives in you. Therefore, they protect you. So you don't have to do anything.
Protectors do not eat tea and biscuits. They do not require fancy tormas.
Of course, sometimes it is useful to contact the guardians, for example, if you do something stupid which causes a problem in the transmission. Then you can purify this with guardian practice. Or if there is an obstacle to your practice, then you can make offerings to the guardians.
But the idea that guardians are jealous gods who might punish you because you don't feed them everyday is a very primitive concept. Therefore, in the DC we do not worry about it so much.
And, you should never be afraid to do guardian practice. They are guardians after all. They will never harm you.
Dronma wrote:It is different in Kagyu lineage. They have more ceremonial and ritual style, like offering many Tormas, each one specially decorated in a complicating and symbolic manner.
However, it is always fine if we visualize infinite mental offerings.
deepbluehum wrote:You should see Lama Tharchin's tormas. Nyingma's do some really amazing elaborations on this theme.
What is the best way to contact the Guardians without transforming (meaning if we have screwed up in relation to the transmission and/or practice somehow, but are horrible at Tun practices) ?